Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

No you didn't. The remainer who "believes in democracy" / "just wants to get on with it" is a fictional construct of brexiters. It's an unsubtle attempt to artificially inflate the level of support in society for leaving the EU.

more nonsense...

again

A condescending person tends to have some control issues, insecurities and emotional baggage. They deal with this by inappropriately projecting the persona of a parent or authority figure onto other who, in the eues of any reasonable person, would have as much agency, indepemdencs and personal power as they do.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:46 am  

My belief is that the phenomenon of remain voters changing their mind largely does not exist. I'm not sure that fits the definition of condescending so you appear to be deflecting by resorting to insults.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:05 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

Yes I think that must be about the most absurd a statement as I've read from a quitling. What their side of the debate simply cannot cope with is that the billboards, negative messages from the leave campaign and everything since has normalised hate. People who have always had vile views about race, sexuality and just about any other characteristic, realised they could now give voice to it. And once they'd stopped swallowing down the hate they found they couldn't stop spewing it. These Neanderthals even occasionally gift wrap the hate by adding a slogan such as "We voted OUT" whilst harassing the polish couple. But then I suppose that's not a reference to the referendum. It must be about the Hokey Cokey or something.

Pumpetypump wrote:

The grown ups were chatting about you cheekychops. And there's not a chance in hell you voted remain.

oh dear, big man with green username claims I insulted him, merely by pointing out his condescending nature.

I am glad you are so small minded as to equate abhorrent views on race, sexuality etc. with the people (which again, for clarity, does not include me) voted to leave. You show yourself up, narrow minded and opinionated and the self perceived fount of all that is true. The gospel according to Pumpetypump.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:48 am  

IR80 wrote:

oh dear, big man with green username

I haven't a clue what that means.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:54 am  

Pumpetypump wrote:

My belief is that the phenomenon of remain voters changing their mind largely does not exist. I'm not sure that fits the definition of condescending so you appear to be deflecting by resorting to insults.

I tend to agree - it's become common parlance for morons like Mark Francois and his ilk, to say that 'the people' just want politicians to 'get on with it.' I voted Remain, as did most people I know, and I don't know anyone who voted that way, who is now just shrugging their shoulders and wishing it was done and dusted. My old Mum voted Leave, and even she's scared of a version of Brexit she didn't vote for, being bulldozed through parliament by Boris Johnson.

It's a well worn trope of politicians of all stripes, to say "businesses I speak to" or "my constituents" as a proxy for their own opinion; this is no different.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:47 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Hate crimes have increased by 41% since the referendum

How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.

Immigration from the EU is no longer seen as the enemy it was in 2016.

Is all the killing in London anything to do with the referendum? No, does it have anything to do with reduced police numbers? No because the police were willing to go in those areas - does it have something to do with a country flush with drugs and weapons - yes it does.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:01 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.

Immigration from the EU is no longer seen as the enemy it was in 2016.

Is all the killing in London anything to do with the referendum? No, does it have anything to do with reduced police numbers? No because the police were willing to go in those areas - does it have something to do with a country flush with drugs and weapons - yes it does.

I certainly aren't going to depend grooming gangs or paedophiles of any race creed or colour.

However, perhaps you could explain the 41% increase in those statistics, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE REFERENDUM CAMPAIGN and by throwing the grooming gangs into the pot, are you trying to say that the rhetoric used by Farage and Boris had nothing to do with the increase.
Those two, lovely right wing politicians gave license to anyone with racist views to be empowered to act. Just open your eyes, it really isn't too difficult to see the correlation between the politics and the increase, not even for you.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:32 pm  

Pumpetypump wrote:

My belief is that the phenomenon of remain voters changing their mind largely does not exist. I'm not sure that fits the definition of condescending so you appear to be deflecting by resorting to insults.

I haven’t changed my mind, but I do think the referendum result should be respected and we should leave on the best terms available, which ‘happily’ isn’t no deal.

The problem is getting somebody to press the button on a deal, which 48% at best grudgingly accept and that a big chunk of the 52% are bound to regard as somewhere between disappointing and betrayal. The high point of Brexit was always going to be the night of 23 June 2016.

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:48 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

How many of those crimes were directly attributable to the referendum? Yet again in Huddersfield we have more cases of Asian men abusing innocent white girls - these guys are in Leeds court ATM - this type of behaviour leads far more to hate crimes than any referendum.

Proof positive that the dog-whistle tactics of Farage and his less articulate disciples actually works.

90% of child sexual abusers are white men; fancy joining my lynch mob this weekend to take retribution?

Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 4) : Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:53 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

I haven’t changed my mind, but I do think the referendum result should be respected and we should leave on the best terms available, which ‘happily’ isn’t no deal.

The problem is getting somebody to press the button on a deal, which 48% at best grudgingly accept and that a big chunk of the 52% are bound to regard as somewhere between disappointing and betrayal. The high point of Brexit was always going to be the night of 23 June 2016.

There is a lot of hindsight involved, both leave and remain peddled, shall we be kind and say, untruths. No side or parliamentary party will leave this period of history with anything other than ridicule.

Whatever happens, just get on with it, it dominates the news but, in reality, little will change.

Do we still have troops in Afghanistan, how are we doing with Iran and blocking shipping, what about Aregentina, have they gone quiet, do Spain still lay sovereign claim to Gibraltar.

But hang on, I know who is on STI Island, how much Granny's chamber pot might be worth, that gender neutral/fluid is a thing.I'm amazed the BBC have even remembered it's the 9//11 anniversary.