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So for our resident diehard Tories - how did the queen's speech play for you? All of the big ticket items in the already flimsy manifesto were omitted or watered down - and she still doesn't have a deal with the DUP, which leaves her totally hamstrung. Latest reports are that the Barnett consequentials resulting from their demands for funding for NI would be eye-watering sums of money - so that deal is still far from done. Meanwhile, Philip Hammond is openly contradicting her on Brexit, and she has to start her tenure post a disastrous election, with an admission that the state failed the victims of a disaster, while thousands of people took to the streets of London to demand her resignation.

To top off the indignity, even her maj trolled Mrs May, by wearing a Euro-hat instead of her crown. Ouch.
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bren2k wrote:
To top off the indignity, even her maj trolled Mrs May, by wearing a Euro-hat instead of her crown. Ouch.


To be fair, once a German, always a German ;)
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Posted by Sal Paradise on Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:15 pm
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So for our resident diehard Tories - how did the queen's speech play for you? All of the big ticket items in the already flimsy manifesto were omitted or watered down - and she still doesn't have a deal with the DUP, which leaves her totally hamstrung. Latest reports are that the Barnett consequentials resulting from their demands for funding for NI would be eye-watering sums of money - so that deal is still far from done. Meanwhile, Philip Hammond is openly contradicting her on Brexit, and she has to start her tenure post a disastrous election, with an admission that the state failed the victims of a disaster, while thousands of people took to the streets of London to demand her resignation.

To top off the indignity, even her maj trolled Mrs May, by wearing a Euro-hat instead of her crown. Ouch.


The final straw was Boris being interviewed on R4 tonight - I bet he will not forget the mauling he got from Eddie Mair - all down to a silly little girl. She cannot last beyond the summer.

The saving grace is the DUP hate Labour even more than the Tories so May knows she is safe - she needs to hope bi-elections are in safe Labour seats.

Nothing on reduced austerity so not all conceded - Labour must be looking forward to the next 12 months in opposition - but as May pointed out Labour were soundly beaten and as such have little to crow about.
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Post Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:12 pm
Posted by bren2k on Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:12 pm
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Labour were soundly beaten and as such have little to crow about.


And yet they are - and Mr Corbyn appears more... prime ministerial with each passing day, don't you agree?

I think the only thing keeping her alive right now is that most MP's realise that if they off her now and Boris takes over, the party will fall harder than the Lib Dems did when Clegg sold his soul to become David Cameron's tea bitch.
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And yet they are - and Mr Corbyn appears more... prime ministerial with each passing day, don't you agree?

I think the only thing keeping her alive right now is that most MP's realise that if they off her now and Boris takes over, the party will fall harder than the Lib Dems did when Clegg sold his soul to become David Cameron's tea bitch.


The one sure thing at the moment is that, should there be a re-run of the GE, the Tories would come second, which, considering where we were 3 months ago, is unbelievable.
This does beg the question, is she the worst prime minister ever ?

(The Queen's Speech, wasn't worth everybody's time in getting dressed up and with the rumours that there wont be one next year (as there wont be time, due to Brexit), what are we paying our MP's for.
They should be on half salaries :D
Posted by Sal Paradise on Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:50 am
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And yet they are - and Mr Corbyn appears more... prime ministerial with each passing day, don't you agree?

I think the only thing keeping her alive right now is that most MP's realise that if they off her now and Boris takes over, the party will fall harder than the Lib Dems did when Clegg sold his soul to become David Cameron's tea bitch.


Not at all Corbyn looks more like a Blair with everyday - stage managed, vacuous, insincere and in denial.

On Newsnight the Labour shadow minister suggested Labour were going to press forward with their manifesto!! until Evan pointed out they lost the election - Labour are in complete denial they got beat by 1m votes and 60 seats not a small defeat.
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Not at all Corbyn looks more like a Blair with everyday - stage managed, vacuous, insincere and in denial.

On Newsnight the Labour shadow minister suggested Labour were going to press forward with their manifesto!! until Evan pointed out they lost the election - Labour are in complete denial they got beat by 1m votes and 60 seats not a small defeat.


That's the daftest thing you've said in a while; the qualities that have won Corbyn so much support are that he's the opposite of stage managed, vacuous or in denial - he's natural, easy with real people, and he actually believes what he's saying - the latter being so rare in politics, that it's engaged many people who were previously disenfranchised.

Meanwhile, Boris does an interview on R4 and is harshly reminded by Eddie Maer that running the country is not a Bullingdon Club wheeze; if he's the best they've got to offer as an alternative, there is little wonder that the PM is being held against her will in no 10.

Labour may not be technically able to deliver their manifesto - but the election result has already forced the Tories to drop a lot of the egregious policies that their expected landslide would have allowed them to enact; and Labour will continue to frustrate them in parliament, particularly if Theresa keeps pi$$ing off the DUP.
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Latest reports are that the Barnett consequentials resulting from their demands for funding for NI would be eye-watering sums of money - so that deal is still far from done.


I don't like to say I told you so - I love to say it...
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Posted by Chris28 on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:15 pm
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Sal Paradise wrote:
The saving grace is the DUP hate Labour even more than the Tories so May knows she is safe - she needs to hope bi-elections are in safe Labour seats.


The DUP won't like those :lol:
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Posted by Sal Paradise on Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:53 pm
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bren2k wrote:
That's the daftest thing you've said in a while; the qualities that have won Corbyn so much support are that he's the opposite of stage managed, vacuous or in denial - he's natural, easy with real people, and he actually believes what he's saying - the latter being so rare in politics, that it's engaged many people who were previously disenfranchised.

Meanwhile, Boris does an interview on R4 and is harshly reminded by Eddie Maer that running the country is not a Bullingdon Club wheeze; if he's the best they've got to offer as an alternative, there is little wonder that the PM is being held against her will in no 10.

Labour may not be technically able to deliver their manifesto - but the election result has already forced the Tories to drop a lot of the egregious policies that their expected landslide would have allowed them to enact; and Labour will continue to frustrate them in parliament, particularly if Theresa keeps pi$$ing off the DUP.


Corbyn held all his rallies in very safe Labour seats - are you saying that wasn't stage managed? He went to Grenfell hugged a few people and then left what practical help did or his colleagues offer? Public "shows" of sorrow are just that unless they are backed up by action? He engaged young people by offering them a huge carrot - it was the carrot and not him that got them out to vote.

Agree on Boris I thought he was smarter than that - you cannot defend the indefensible the fact May put him in that position through her own stupidity suggest she is trying quash all opposition to her leadership.

The result showed one thing if you promise everything to everybody it will have a positive impact. What it did also show id the old adage "you can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time" Their manifesto couldn't be delivered and that became more evident the more stuff they promised.

Labour will lose face if they deliberately tamper with the natural order of Parliament like a bunch of school kids.

Don't forget if Labour were in power they would be reliant on the support of Queen Nicola which would be equally as bad if not worse - I surprised she didn't stand in for the Queen yesterday :D
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