Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:27 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I would suggest you watch the many PMQ’s between Johnson and Starmer or the debate between Johnson and Miliband this year and you may realise that they do exist and find it rather easy to make the PM look clueless and irrelevant. The polls also show more people support Labour than the Cons and that Starmer is a better leader.
I wonder how many of the new red wall Conservatives will be voted back in next time, judging by how twitchy they have become they are already beginning to wonder if Johnson is the right man
How many of those impacted by Covid wished that Labour was in power. The private companies making millions won’t of course because they can just carry on milking the tax payer for as much as possible with the full backing of the Cons especially one minister.

More left wing delusion and lies.

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:03 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I would suggest you watch the many PMQ’s between Johnson and Starmer or the debate between Johnson and Miliband this year and you may realise that they do exist and find it rather easy to make the PM look clueless and irrelevant. The polls also show more people support Labour than the Cons and that Starmer is a better leader.
I wonder how many of the new red wall Conservatives will be voted back in next time, judging by how twitchy they have become they are already beginning to wonder if Johnson is the right man
How many of those impacted by Covid wished that Labour was in power. The private companies making millions won’t of course because they can just carry on milking the tax payer for as much as possible with the full backing of the Cons especially one minister.

They are leading in the polls because of the “failings” of the tories not because of anything they are doing themsleves- and if Starmer can’t win a debate coming from his previous role, where just he gets facts and figures together then there is no hope for him - it doesn’t make him a great political leader. I’ve just listened to Lisa Nandy who represents my neck of the woods, all criticism but no answers.

Good Lord yes - how I wish Corbyn was the leader during this pandemic

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:07 am  

ColD wrote:

They are leading in the polls because of the “failings” of the tories not because of anything they are doing themsleves- and if Starmer can’t win a debate coming from his previous role, where just he gets facts and figures together then there is no hope for him - it doesn’t make him a great political leader. I’ve just listened to Lisa Nandy who represents my neck of the woods, all criticism but no answers.

Good Lord yes - how I wish Corbyn was the leader during this pandemic

It would be funny watching him discuss with his Covidiot brother!

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:27 am  

ColD wrote:

They are leading in the polls because of the “failings” of the tories not because of anything they are doing themsleves- and if Starmer can’t win a debate coming from his previous role, where just he gets facts and figures together then there is no hope for him - it doesn’t make him a great political leader. I’ve just listened to Lisa Nandy who represents my neck of the woods, all criticism but no answers.

Good Lord yes - how I wish Corbyn was the leader during this pandemic

Lisa Nandy was on the today programme this morning talking about the £60m - she said at 4:30 the £60m was off the table but miraculously appeared overnight. Hancock said at 7pm yesterday in parliament that the £60m was still on the table. She failed to admit that this was the case - this is a leading shadow minister!!

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:49 am  

Was it not Johnson who said it wasn’t despite being given many opportunities to do so. I suppose like many times in the past another minister needs to correct the confusion unnecessarily caused by his lack of preparation.

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:02 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Was it not Johnson who said it wasn’t despite being given many opportunities to do so. I suppose like many times in the past another minister needs to correct the confusion unnecessarily caused by his lack of preparation.

Was it not Johnson who said what wasn't?

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:40 am  

At a time when we have needed urgent action by governments I'd rather take my chances with a party which believed in the power of government to do things rather than one which throws billions away to either their friends or to companies which specialise in profiteering from bloated government contracts.

And at a time when understanding and interpreting the science is critical, I'd rather not take my chances with a party which has a strong recent history of science denial.

It's no coincidence that the results in countries with hard right populist wannabe strong men in power have seen the worst results during this.

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:07 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

At a time when we have needed urgent action by governments I'd rather take my chances with a party which believed in the power of government to do things rather than one which throws billions away to either their friends or to companies which specialise in profiteering from bloated government contracts.

And at a time when understanding and interpreting the science is critical, I'd rather not take my chances with a party which has a strong recent history of science denial.

It's no coincidence that the results in countries with hard right populist wannabe strong men in power have seen the worst results during this.

The problem is the science isn't clear - and you can't ignore the economic impact - this isn't China.

The public sector has thrown billions away on many projects e.g. The NHS computerisation of records being one so its not a public vs private. Track and trace only works if you get total buy in from the public - we know in this country it will not happen unless it is forced which we all know wont happen.

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:52 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The problem is the science isn't clear - and you can't ignore the economic impact - this isn't China.

The public sector has thrown billions away on many projects e.g. The NHS computerisation of records being one so its not a public vs private. Track and trace only works if you get total buy in from the public - we know in this country it will not happen unless it is forced which we all know wont happen.

Hilarious again Sal, China's economy is one of the fastest growing economies on the planet. I dont think that you can suggest that they ignore economic impact.
As for throwing money away, our current government are exceeding in this area, plunging the country's debt to unprecedented peace time levels.
As for the public "buying in" to track and trace, perhaps if we'd had a "World Beating" system, not only would the public have bought into it but, it might have actually worked ??

Re: World-beating test and trace system : Wed Oct 21, 2020 2:29 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Hilarious again Sal, China's economy is one of the fastest growing economies on the planet. I dont think that you can suggest that they ignore economic impact.
As for throwing money away, our current government are exceeding in this area, plunging the country's debt to unprecedented peace time levels.
As for the public "buying in" to track and trace, perhaps if we'd had a "World Beating" system, not only would the public have bought into it but, it might have actually worked ??

More bleating, no answers, you should become a local councillor on a sink estate, you'd fit right in.