Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:20 pm  

If only Putin had his own hotline to God like Dubya and Phoney Tony then everything would be hunky-dory.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:35 pm  

France and Germany sieze super yachts owned by Russian oligarchs and are seizing their other goods . In Britain meanwhile we are telling Russian oligarchs we are going to sanction tem in a few weeks. Meanwhile they are selling their assets off in Britain. Why is Britain acting so slowly ? https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/how-russian- ... in-the-uk/ https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/has- ... by-russia/ Work it out for yourself then someone can explain it to Chissit

France and Germany sieze super yachts owned by Russian oligarchs and are seizing their other goods . In Britain meanwhile we are telling Russian oligarchs we are going to sanction tem in a few weeks. Meanwhile they are selling their assets off in Britain. Why is Britain acting so slowly ? https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/how-russian- ... in-the-uk/ https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/has- ... by-russia/ Work it out for yourself then someone can explain it to Chissit

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:41 pm  

Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza wrote:

Given Putin has now shutdown all independent media, leaving journalists having to flee the country, has jailed the leader of the opposition for criticising him and is arresting people in their thousands for peaceful protest. It’s a fair bet that the state controlled Russia Today is propaganda.

Every reason he’s given to justify the invasion makes no sense. They’re already bordered by NATO countries and Ukraine haven’t even joined. They’re already bordered by EU countries. The supposed attacks on russain speakers in the Donbass region were so bad that people there have been on the streets blocking Russian conveys and telling their soldiers to go home.

There’s enough video evidence on social media of captured Russian soldiers who have no clue why they’re there as even they’ve been lied to.

The point I'm trying to make is if a large percentage of russians aren't aware that they're being fed propaganda, why would we be any more aware if the same was happening to us?

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:07 pm  

Superblue wrote:

This situation is a total and utter failure of Western leadership and Diplomacy
The arrogance and chest thumping of the west in totally dismissing Russia’s legitimate security concerns
There was no way President Putin would allow the second largest country in Europe to be stuffed full of American nukes and cruise missiles. Have you seen the length of the Ukraine border with Russia?

Sadly the Ukraine people are now understanding the internationally accepted American definitions of terms such as “collateral damage” and “enemy combatant” , derived to legitimise American and UK atrocities in the likes of Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.
The ICC is an American joke.

Unlike the American and UK imperialistic Illegal invasion of Iraq WMD lies , Russia has found WMD’s nukes in Ukraine.

And I don’t see the Donald Rumsfeld levels of Shock and Awe inflicted on the civilian population of Baghdad?, nor any sightings of the “Mother of all Bombs” dropped with impunity on the brown skinned populations of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan

This is creeping to a nuclear WW3

What an utterly pathetic post.

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:17 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

What an utterly pathetic post.

Care to elucidate?

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:04 pm  

silver2 wrote:

The point I'm trying to make is if a large percentage of russians aren't aware that they're being fed propaganda, why would we be any more aware if the same was happening to us?

Because we have a free press and access to news from around the world. In Russia you can only get the news provided by the government unless you can get access to the internet. Putin has blocked a lot of it though.

They’ve literally closed down every independent paper, radio and tv station. Then today the Russian duma (government) have passed a law making it an offence to criticise the Russian military or operations involving them. Punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

[Wanderer]

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:07 pm  

I've stated this on other threads. Responses need to be about the post NOT the person posting.

Don't be surprised if posts which don't comply are removed.
(One has been already).

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:09 pm  

After watching that crap Putin came out with today it’s clear he’s going to take over the whole of Ukraine. Every reason he’s come up with is total garbage.

It’ll get worse before it gets better but I’m sure this is the undoing of Putin. The Ukrainians aren’t going to lie down they’ll keep fighting and the Russians will have to spend resources and blood to control it. That coupled with the sanctions I can’t see it being long before the oligarchs and military get sick of Putin and Medvedev and eliminate them.

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:12 pm  

Superblue wrote:

Care to elucidate?

One country has invaded another and is bombing civilians and besieging cities.
Anyone who puts the blame for that on anyone other than the person or people doing the invading or launching the missiles or surrounding those cities is deceiving themselves or seeking to deceive others.

Re: Ukraine : Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:14 pm  

Russia have no legitimate security concerns.
Ukraine gave up their nukes along with Kazakhstan and Belarus in the 1990s after they signed the Budapest memorandum along with the US, UK, and Russia, in return for the other nations respecting their borders... guess which country broke the agreement.
The Eastern European countries that joined NATO chose to do so themselves, and were free to do so in line with the Helsinki accord, which the SU also signed in the 70s. There was never any agreement made with Russia that guaranteed NATO wouldn't expand. Those countries joined NATO peacefully. What did Russia do when Hungary wanted out of the Warsaw pact?

What is it with far left tankies who bend over backwards to criticise western (primarily US and UK) imperialism, but then make all the excuses in the world for the atrocities of fascist dictators like Putin, Asaad,, and commie dictators like Ping, Chavez, and Castro?