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Posted by wire-quin on Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:25 am
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I've got to ask what these new blue, Northern, Labour supporters saw in millionaire, old Etonian, bon vivant, Boris Johnson, or millionaire, old Etonian, investment manager, Jacob Rees-Mogg. You can paint Starmer as an establishment figure all you want, but Johnson and JRM are the establishment's establishment!


The difference being they don't hide it. What a joke the labour leadership campaign was listening to each and every one of the telling us how they were brought up in council house and attended state schools.
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Posted by wrencat1873 on Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:37 am
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The difference being they don't hide it. What a joke the labour leadership campaign was listening to each and every one of the telling us how they were brought up in council house and attended state schools.


They may not hide their upbringing but, FFS, Boris is self proclaimed "man of the people"
Never has been and never will be :CRAZY:

Lets be honest here, its impossible for anyone from an "estate", with a regional accent to become Prime Minister, those that may begin their political life with a regional accent soon dispense with it as they climb the political ladder, as do most (not all) successful business leaders.
Posted by Ornery Optimist on Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:36 am
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He did seem extremely silent during the Labour anti-Semitism arguments,despite the fact that his wife and 2 children are of the Jewish faith.

Seems strange.

He has got round to mentioning it this morning.

Perhaps he knew that the former leader was a busted flush,as far back as the rest of the right-thinking people in this country.
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Posted by sally cinnamon on Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:28 pm
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Unless I have missed it I can’t see Yvette Cooper assigned any senior position. Surprising as she is an experienced and capable politician.


It's because she got the job of Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee which is one of the most high profile. Similarly Hilary Benn got the Chair of Exiting the EU Select Committee.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news ... ions-2020/

Only backbenchers are allowed to chair a Select Committee, if you're in the Shadow Cabinet you have to resign the post.

A Select Committee chair has more real power to hold the government to account through Parliament, cross-examining Ministers and civil servants, requesting the publication of documents, than a Shadow spokesperson which is more about being a spokesperson in the media. So it was unlikely that Cooper or Benn would relinquish those roles. Also Select Committee chairs get about £15k pay increment on their MP salary, I don't think there's a pay award attached to being in the Shadow Cabinet so that would involve a pay cut too!

If Labour were to win the next election I would expect Cooper and Benn to go in the actual Cabinet.
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Posted by wire-quin on Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:46 pm
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They may not hide their upbringing but, FFS, Boris is self proclaimed "man of the people"
Never has been and never will be :CRAZY:

Lets be honest here, its impossible for anyone from an "estate", with a regional accent to become Prime Minister, those that may begin their political life with a regional accent soon dispense with it as they climb the political ladder, as do most (not all) successful business leaders.


Naughty bigoted Southerners hey. :roll:
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Posted by bren2k on Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:55 pm
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He did seem extremely silent during the Labour anti-Semitism arguments,despite the fact that his wife and 2 children are of the Jewish faith.


Perhaps because he knew it was all bo11ocks?

The sum total of 0.08% of the Labour membership resigned, were expelled or received formal warnings in relation to anti-Semitism, and the Home Affairs Select Committee concluded that there was "no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party." There remains no evidence whatsoever that Corbyn himself has ever said or done anything even vaguely anti-Semitic.

The real issue of course is support for Palestinians and/or criticism of Israel, which a large and well-funded lobby have successfully transmogrified into antisemitism; ironically, conflating Israel to mean 'all Jews' is in itself a breach of the IHRA definitions, but that document seems to be useful only as a convenient stick with which to beat anti-Zionists.

The biggest con trick of a generation, whereby tens of thousands of perfectly decent people were labelled as anti-semites, in a concerted effort to destroy one man.
Posted by IR80 on Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:57 pm
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Naughty bigoted Southerners hey. :roll:

Ignore wrencat, he clearly has chips on both shoulders, gravy, peas and a pint of mild to go with them.
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It's because she got the job of Chair of the Home Affairs Select Committee which is one of the most high profile. Similarly Hilary Benn got the Chair of Exiting the EU Select Committee.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news ... ions-2020/

Only backbenchers are allowed to chair a Select Committee, if you're in the Shadow Cabinet you have to resign the post.

A Select Committee chair has more real power to hold the government to account through Parliament, cross-examining Ministers and civil servants, requesting the publication of documents, than a Shadow spokesperson which is more about being a spokesperson in the media. So it was unlikely that Cooper or Benn would relinquish those roles. Also Select Committee chairs get about £15k pay increment on their MP salary, I don't think there's a pay award attached to being in the Shadow Cabinet so that would involve a pay cut too!

If Labour were to win the next election I would expect Cooper and Benn to go in the actual Cabinet.

Thanks, wasn’t aware of that.
Posted by wotsupcas on Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:52 pm
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Backwoodsman wrote:
Unless I have missed it I can’t see Yvette Cooper assigned any senior position. Surprising as she is an experienced and capable politician.

I take it you're not a constituent then?
Posted by ninearches on Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:04 pm
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It would be interesting to see Momentum as a stand alone party & see what relevance they still have to the working class. It was also give Labour a chance to be a serious ,moderate alternative to Conservative.
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