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Re: Joe Westerman : Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:59 am  
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Westerman is one of those players who you would have to pay a premium for, whoever signs him will probably need to pay a top some for a player who isn't and wont be at that level.

There is a good player in Westerman, probably a very good player, don't think he will ever be at the very top though, but someone will pay that for him


Perhaps. If they do, I'd hope that it'll be a side with less immediate problems in the halves than ourselves.
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Re: Joe Westerman : Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:01 am  
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Oh dear, sorry to dissapoint you but westerman isnt the disruptive guy you say he is, he has got married to his longtime partner and recently had another child, not saying he wont go out for a drink but which player doesnt?

Got better and better last season being allowed to play his natural game unlike mcnamara and gentle who used him as an extra forward


That's doesn't appear to ring true - he may have a young family but that doesn't seem to have changed his behaviour outside of work?

He is like a lot of players they burst onto the scene and look great until the second season syndrome and the really good ones - Sinfield, Hall etc continue to improve, some like Westerman improve but not at such a rapid rate. Maybe in a better side and a better environment he may have progressed quicker, he just appears to have stalled or reached his peak which isn't as high as it was originally predicted.
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Re: Joe Westerman : Fri Dec 05, 2014 12:09 pm  
At 24 he still has plenty of time to reach an even higher level just look at the likes of Westwood and Ferres who were always good players but didn't resch their full potential until moving to their current clubs and both were mid to late 20's when blossoming.

I would be happy if we pulled off this signing but only under the assumption plans are already in motion to address our soon to be problem areas of prop and half back.
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Re: Joe Westerman : Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:00 pm  
Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:
He doesn't "owe out a shedload of cash," but he has been hit in the pocket due to the money he has had to shell out plus our falling attendances..

So he does owe out money then.


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Everyone has a price, but Pearson can't afford to alienate the fans any further, and even if you were to offer say £250,000, I don't think he would consider it to be a risk worth taking..


Pearson is a business man first and foremost. The club needs to balance the books somewhat, ergo if he has the chance to do that while wringing the full amount of cash from a potential buyer he will do. The tried and tested "He wants to leave, we couldnt keep him.. LOYALTY" menagerie of excuses can be cooked up later.


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I don't remember us ever selling a player during the last 10 years or so. We've had plenty leave who we would have liked to keep, but only once their contracts had expired. Despite our lack of on field success we are still a big club in all other areas, and a big transfer fee wouldn't really do anything for us when you look at the big picture. Therefore the only reason he would leave is if he said he didn't want to play for Hull any more, and afaik he enjoys being here..


I think your club is a massive sleeping giant, I really do. The murmurings we saw 2005/6 we all thought you were on the way up. The fan base is obviously there, the appetite is there, stadium etc. But I dont think you will do anything until you get a coach in who can reign in the culture over there.


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As for Westerman the player. Well I think it is fair to say that for his first few years at Hull be probably didn't progress in the way we wanted him to. But he has been excellent over the last season and a half. Without him and Ellis we could easily have been relegated last year.

Since Radford came in he has almost played a James Graham type role for us. Getting his hands on the ball a lot and playing close the line. His hands are good enough to play the pivot role but he's also big and strong enough to bust tackles if he decides he's going to carry it.

His defence was questioned when he was picked for England, and I posted some stats on the VT. Not only does he make miles more tackles than any other back rower but he misses less than most too. I think getting rid of the shoulder charge has helped him, he often used to go looking for the big hit too often, but he's reigned that in a lot..



You watch him week in, week out so I wont argue and TBH I agree with you. Leaving Cas and stepping up in expectation and responsibility can sometimes be a lot for a young player to take in. He has steadily worked his way back up for you guys and does seem to be playing well.

As for his well documented off field "problems" again I've not heard anything negative on this front for years now. It's easy to forget he's only 24. He probably just needed to grow up a bit.[/quote]

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Re: Joe Westerman : Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:33 pm  
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So he does owe out money then.


Pearson is a business man first and foremost. The club needs to balance the books somewhat, ergo if he has the chance to do that while wringing the full amount of cash from a potential buyer he will do. The tried and tested "He wants to leave, we couldnt keep him.. LOYALTY" menagerie of excuses can be cooked up later.


I think your club is a massive sleeping giant, I really do. The murmurings we saw 2005/6 we all thought you were on the way up. The fan base is obviously there, the appetite is there, stadium etc. But I dont think you will do anything until you get a coach in who can reign in the culture over there.


You watch him week in, week out so I wont argue and TBH I agree with you. Leaving Cas and stepping up in expectation and responsibility can sometimes be a lot for a young player to take in. He has steadily worked his way back up for you guys and does seem to be playing well.

As for his well documented off field "problems" again I've not heard anything negative on this front for years now. It's easy to forget he's only 24. He probably just needed to grow up a bit.


Amen[/quote]

No, he has paid out money that was owed to players, but he's taken the hit himself. We don't have people knocking on his door for money.

He is a business man, and I completely agree that, whilst he may well love the club and the sport, his priority is still making money. However, a successful Hull FC, run properly, can be very profitable. Pearson has already spoken at length about the falling attendances and what that means for the club. If he wants to make money out of Hull long term, he simply can't afford to drive away supporters, many of whom are already disillusioned, by selling our best player to a team that, let's face it, we aren't the best of friends with.

I'm sure he would be glad of a six figure sum coming in for a change, but unless we are really desperate for the cash to balance the books (we are not) it's just not worth it imo.
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Re: Joe Westerman : Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:41 pm  
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That's doesn't appear to ring true - he may have a young family but that doesn't seem to have changed his behaviour outside of work?

He is like a lot of players they burst onto the scene and look great until the second season syndrome and the really good ones - Sinfield, Hall etc continue to improve, some like Westerman improve but not at such a rapid rate. Maybe in a better side and a better environment he may have progressed quicker, he just appears to have stalled or reached his peak which isn't as high as it was originally predicted.



what proof do you have of his behaviour outside of work? you accuse westerman of being disruptive and a bad influence at hull, yet provide no evidence

what is it they say? put up or shut up!
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Re: Joe Westerman : Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:39 pm  
He was also said like most natives of his town that he hated Leeds , although if like has been said that he has now matured this unprofessional attitude may also have gone too
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Re: Joe Westerman : Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:24 pm  
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what proof do you have of his behaviour outside of work? you accuse westerman of being disruptive and a bad influence at hull, yet provide no evidence

what is it they say? put up or shut up!


I am obviously too old to be out and about in the flesh pots of Cas but my boys are not and I have no reason to doubt what they say they see.

What proof have you got that he's good boy all the time? as you said put up or !!
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Re: Joe Westerman : Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:02 pm  
His Twitter page is a tad childish to be honest. But then he's hardly alone on that front.
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Re: Joe Westerman : Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:06 am  
That's pretty tame TBH.
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