Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:15 pm  

Gallanteer wrote:

And to add to the arument further, give me ANY of our new players over Welham, a home grown player who doesn't cut it. The same as Hall, local but originally FC of course. Salter is good and will play, but the simple fact is thst we have better players. If the board are willing to invest in purchasing players that are better than local lads, why stop them? Are we really bothered Hull (City) Tigers don't have many local lads? It's a shame, yes, and we will still look for local talent, but why set any limits?

Hull City don't compete in a salary capped league where value for money is massive - awful comparison. It's not about 'local' players as such, but players brought up through the ranks, they don't have to have been born in Hull, that isn't the point. Hull had Briscoe (Featherstone), Leeds have Sinfield & Watkins (Manchester-ish).

Signing a better player is fine in the short term, and it might help get you a few places up the league, but long-term if a club really wants to compete for trophies regularly, quality youth products are needed.

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:21 pm  

Errlee Berd wrote:

Hull City don't compete in a salary capped league where value for money is massive - awful comparison. It's not about 'local' players as such, but players brought up through the ranks, they don't have to have been born in Hull, that isn't the point. Hull had Briscoe (Featherstone), Leeds have Sinfield & Watkins (Manchester-ish).

Signing a better player is fine in the short term, and it might help get you a few places up the league, but long-term if a club really wants to compete for trophies regularly, quality youth products are needed.

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:36 pm  

Errlee Berd wrote:

Hull City don't compete in a salary capped league where value for money is massive - awful comparison. It's not about 'local' players as such, but players brought up through the ranks, they don't have to have been born in Hull, that isn't the point. Hull had Briscoe (Featherstone), Leeds have Sinfield & Watkins (Manchester-ish).

Signing a better player is fine in the short term, and it might help get you a few places up the league, but long-term if a club really wants to compete for trophies regularly, quality youth products are needed.

Problem being that academy players are only cheap for a short while, once the're any good they'll want paying as much as any bought in uk player. Southern hemisphere players are generally more expensive but unless its a constant churn it wont work.
Lets be honest if any of our local players look like being world class then they'll be off either to Aus or union for a lot more money or to a Wigan, Saints or Wire to win something. The only players either Hull club have produced in recent years good enough are Briscoe and Taylor and they've both moved. Shaul is the only other one I can see developing into that type, will be interesting to see if he hangs around long.

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:02 pm  

Errlee Berd wrote:

Hull City don't compete in a salary capped league where value for money is massive - awful comparison. It's not about 'local' players as such, but players brought up through the ranks, they don't have to have been born in Hull, that isn't the point. Hull had Briscoe (Featherstone), Leeds have Sinfield & Watkins (Manchester-ish).

Signing a better player is fine in the short term, and it might help get you a few places up the league, but long-term if a club really wants to compete for trophies regularly, quality youth products are needed.

Bang on the money, they won't accept it though, because we're FC fans.

They don't realise that it's the exact way we've been trying to do things until the last couple of years since Pearson took over.

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:09 pm  

*1865* wrote: Bang on the money, they won't accept it though, because we're FC fans. They don't realise that it's the exact way we've been trying to do things until the last couple of years since Pearson took over. Didn't Pearson state that he would no longer be fully funding the club after this season unless the stay away fans come back in big numbers? http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-owner-Adam-Pearson-fears-stay-away-fans/story-24139369-detail/story.html Not sure how this will affect your future youth setup. Maybe Rovers might see a large influx of local talent if he stick to his threat. He can't keep funding FC forever without owning a large company to help him fund it like Sir Neil and Sir Rob.

*1865* wrote: Bang on the money, they won't accept it though, because we're FC fans. They don't realise that it's the exact way we've been trying to do things until the last couple of years since Pearson took over. Didn't Pearson state that he would no longer be fully funding the club after this season unless the stay away fans come back in big numbers? http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-owner-Adam-Pearson-fears-stay-away-fans/story-24139369-detail/story.html Not sure how this will affect your future youth setup. Maybe Rovers might see a large influx of local talent if he stick to his threat. He can't keep funding FC forever without owning a large company to help him fund it like Sir Neil and Sir Rob.

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:16 pm  

DuaneDibbley wrote: Didn't Pearson state that he would no longer be fully funding the club after this season unless the stay away fans come back in big numbers? http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-owner-Adam-Pearson-fears-stay-away-fans/story-24139369-detail/story.html Not sure how this will affect your future youth setup. Maybe Rovers might see a large influx of local talent if he stick to his threat. He can't keep funding FC forever without owning a large company to help him fund it like Sir Neil and Sir Rob. The same two gentlemen who said they wont keep throwing money at the club? who put the club up for sale and who also took a interest free loan of £1m from Dr Allam?

DuaneDibbley wrote: Didn't Pearson state that he would no longer be fully funding the club after this season unless the stay away fans come back in big numbers? http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-owner-Adam-Pearson-fears-stay-away-fans/story-24139369-detail/story.html Not sure how this will affect your future youth setup. Maybe Rovers might see a large influx of local talent if he stick to his threat. He can't keep funding FC forever without owning a large company to help him fund it like Sir Neil and Sir Rob. The same two gentlemen who said they wont keep throwing money at the club? who put the club up for sale and who also took a interest free loan of £1m from Dr Allam?

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:20 pm  

*1865* wrote:

Bang on the money, they won't accept it though, because we're FC fans.

They don't realise that it's the exact way we've been trying to do things until the last couple of years since Pearson took over.

Exactly. I include FC in what I say about short-termism too, although we seem to be trying to get out of the habit. It's a perpetual cycle which results in mid-table results with the odd good year thrown in (and the odd bad year ).

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:28 pm  

Errlee Berd wrote:

Exactly. I include FC in what I say about short-termism too, although we seem to be trying to get out of the habit. It's a perpetual cycle which results in mid-table results with the odd good year thrown in (and the odd bad year ).

Mid table? you wish. And the last team from Hull to finish as low as 12th was FC

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:31 pm  

DuaneDibbley wrote: Didn't Pearson state that he would no longer be fully funding the club after this season unless the stay away fans come back in big numbers? http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-owner-Adam-Pearson-fears-stay-away-fans/story-24139369-detail/story.html Not sure how this will affect your future youth setup. Maybe Rovers might see a large influx of local talent if he stick to his threat. He can't keep funding FC forever without owning a large company to help him fund it like Sir Neil and Sir Rob. I think my irony meter just exploded.

DuaneDibbley wrote: Didn't Pearson state that he would no longer be fully funding the club after this season unless the stay away fans come back in big numbers? http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-owner-Adam-Pearson-fears-stay-away-fans/story-24139369-detail/story.html Not sure how this will affect your future youth setup. Maybe Rovers might see a large influx of local talent if he stick to his threat. He can't keep funding FC forever without owning a large company to help him fund it like Sir Neil and Sir Rob. I think my irony meter just exploded.

Re: 2015 Squad Numbers Released : Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:54 pm  

Offy wrote:

do you think we're that bothered

Well yes, as you could have ignored the remark