Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:20 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

But some of the misdirected shıt on here at times is exactly that.

Have you looked at the league table ? Have you experienced the total lack of atmosphere ?

The coach is responsible for getting the best out of his players. Is Powell doing that ? I think not.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:40 am  

jbuzza wrote:

Have you looked at the league table ? Have you experienced the total lack of atmosphere ?

The coach is responsible for getting the best out of his players. Is Powell doing that ? I think not.

In that you are absolutely correct.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:56 am  

Set up defensive patterns so that players don't get exposed – Don't you think teams do this in training?
Don't pick players who are poor tacklers - This is subject to the availability of our talent pool.
Create a culture of aggression and wanting to win by which players make tackles at all cost - culture setting is a good point WQ
Make changes to team patterns in the game if certain players are being targeted- ie a 7 by a 12 for example - If I understand what you're saying, you don't change your team mid game because your player is their spot player. You may give him a bit of protection when he kicks.
Coach players how to tackle in a way you want them to tackle - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Coach the team how to defend with more than one in the tackle - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Slow the opposition down so that your defense is set - Don't you think teams do this in training?
Study the opposition and understand the other teams strengths & weakness paying particular attention to their attacking strengths and counter act it -Don't you think teams do this in training and from VIDEO work?


Come WQ, you know about the game. Powell not being good enough is purely based on the results. He fails. He goes. End of. Players on the other hand can have a contract. Hypothetically, if 10 of a 25 first grade squad under perform and don't do what they're told or miss tackles, or don't act on what they've learnt from video work, or seem unmotivated in any team and the teams loses and finishes second from bottom, who goes? The coach. Not the players on a contract.

A lot of comments directed at coaching on here are sometimes unfounded as people don't know what happens at training etc. etc. They see the poor results and direct their anger at the person who cops it at the end of the day as results are their responsibility.

Boosty

McGuire went to Wigan and with the same squad of players that Noble had completely changed the way they play. The defensive structures he introduced were and remain marvellous and even today is the foundation of their current success-That is an example of what coaches do.

Look at how Long has changed the way the Reds attack. That is what coaches do.

They dont make players miss tackles but what they do is get the best out of players individually and collectively. Powell hasnt got the experience, knowledge, personality, management skills etc to do that.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:26 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

5 players apparently losing form is down to a coach not having a right game plan?

You can lay 95% of the blame at the coach as much as you like. It just goes to show you have no idea about what's involved with coaching a top flight club.

Teams nause up, the coach cops it. Is Ivan Cleary a crap coach? He's second from bottom in the NRL, he must be and there's even some sad fans calling for his head. It's just the way it works.

Tell you what RB.....I may be an arrogant C**K when it comes to marketing, but the post above is as patronising as I've seen on these boards....Powell is 95% to blame for the state the club finds itself in.....and this year, that includes the lack of fans!

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:34 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

Come WQ, you know about the game. Powell not being good enough is purely based on the results. He fails. He goes. End of. Players on the other hand can have a contract. Hypothetically, if 10 of a 25 first grade squad under perform and don't do what they're told or miss tackles, or don't act on what they've learnt from video work, or seem unmotivated in any team and the teams loses and finishes second from bottom, who goes? The coach. Not the players on a contract.

A lot of comments directed at coaching on here are sometimes unfounded as people don't know what happens at training etc. etc. They see the poor results and direct their anger at the person who cops it at the end of the day as results are their responsibility.

But there are obvious things for which Powell IS responsible. Take Will Lovell - a young lad with a bit of promise. Watching the video of the Huddersfield game he starts defending at left centre, later he is defending at 3rd in on the right and at the end he is in the middle unit. He misses tackles. It's just the worst thing you can do to a kid's development.

We don't have a right centre because Powell didn't recruit one for 2012 - instead he picked up a bunch of wingers, same as he (someone else?) is doing for 2013 it seems. The result? Just about everyone has been played out of position there and we've been destroyed down that side of the field. His latest solution? Luke Dorn - 13 tackles, 6 misses. Genuinely, who would think the answer to defending at right centre was Luke Dorn??!

Granted that Powell has problems with a squad which he mostly inherited but he just hasn't solved the problems he's been presented with. He hasn't worked out who to play and where to play them to get the best from the squad. And now he's just guessing. I will open up the possibility that there may not be a coach in the world who can resolve the problems but the question would then be why is someone (and it may not be Powell) re-signing the same players for 2013? There is virtually no wriggle room for new signings and we have some obvious gaps in our squad that need filling.

You make the comparison with Ivan Cleary. Cleary has some positive previous which puts his coaching account in credit - Powell is already overdrawn. Cleary may or may not be getting the best from his squad - I have no idea as I don't watch the NRL anymore. It's obviously possible that a very good coach can be in charge of a very poor squad. But if Cleary is busily re-signing all his 2012 squad for 2013 and imagining that next year it will come good I'd say he was crazy. And that seems to be where the Broncos are right now.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:29 am  

Colly2 wrote:

But there are obvious things for which Powell IS responsible. Take Will Lovell - a young lad with a bit of promise. Watching the video of the Huddersfield game he starts defending at left centre, later he is defending at 3rd in on the right and at the end he is in the middle unit. He misses tackles. It's just the worst thing you can do to a kid's development.

We don't have a right centre because Powell didn't recruit one for 2012 - instead he picked up a bunch of wingers, same as he (someone else?) is doing for 2013 it seems. The result? Just about everyone has been played out of position there and we've been destroyed down that side of the field. His latest solution? Luke Dorn - 13 tackles, 6 misses. Genuinely, who would think the answer to defending at right centre was Luke Dorn??!

Granted that Powell has problems with a squad which he mostly inherited but he just hasn't solved the problems he's been presented with. He hasn't worked out who to play and where to play them to get the best from the squad. And now he's just guessing. I will open up the possibility that there may not be a coach in the world who can resolve the problems but the question would then be why is someone (and it may not be Powell) re-signing the same players for 2013? There is virtually no wriggle room for new signings and we have some obvious gaps in our squad that need filling.

You make the comparison with Ivan Cleary. Cleary has some positive previous which puts his coaching account in credit - Powell is already overdrawn. Cleary may or may not be getting the best from his squad - I have no idea as I don't watch the NRL anymore. It's obviously possible that a very good coach can be in charge of a very poor squad. But if Cleary is busily re-signing all his 2012 squad for 2013 and imagining that next year it will come good I'd say he was crazy. And that seems to be where the Broncos are right now.

What can I say? All seems concise.

To use a Tony Reaism, there are so many variables in a game. Why do you think this kid went from defending at left centre, to right second row to being jammed in the middle (was he at hooker)?

I can only guess, injuries on the park, at that time, forced the coach's hand. But who knows really?

Re CLeary, it was just more of an indication that even the good coaches have to finish near the bottom at some point (not saying powell is before I get skilleted). Yet he is still a good coach despite the results and the call for his head by some disgruntled fans. Cleary that is.

east stander wrote:

Boosty

McGuire went to Wigan and with the same squad of players that Noble had completely changed the way they play. The defensive structures he introduced were and remain marvellous and even today is the foundation of their current success-That is an example of what coaches do.

Look at how Long has changed the way the Reds attack. That is what coaches do.

They dont make players miss tackles but what they do is get the best out of players individually and collectively. Powell hasnt got the experience, knowledge, personality, management skills etc to do that.

Yeah, spot on.



Funny how this has grown from one sentence about the appalling missed tackle count ain't it? With GF taking it down the entire responsiblity of a coach route.

The coach will get the blame as to why the players are missing tackles of course.

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:50 am  

Rooster is quite correct stating that the coach is not to be blamed for missed tackle and certainly the senior players within the squad should look at themselves and start performing better.

The problem, apart from inexperience Powell has is that he is not a natural leader. And all coaches must be leaders. I know people who deal with Powell and their comments are that he's a nice enough bloke, but nothing special. Says it all...

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:18 pm  

Rooster is quite correct stating that the coach is not to be blamed for missed tackle

He is to be blamed. It happens week after week. Look at what McGuire did at Wigan. They dont miss many tackles. He should put in "systems" where by we dont miss tackles. Culture, individual skills, sub unit skill, team skill, drop the offenders,...... whatever it takes

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:18 pm  

east stander wrote:

He is to be blamed. It happens week after week. Look at what McGuire did at Wigan. They dont miss many tackles. He should put in "systems" where by we dont miss tackles. Culture, individual skills, sub unit skill, team skill, drop the offenders,...... whatever it takes

How many missed tackles are down to player error or poor defensive lines? Usually, it's a combination of both, so the coach can get perhaps work on one part and try and improve the tacker technique as well.

However, tackling is sometimes more about commitment than technique - as there are times when you just have to throw yourself at someone and hope you stop them or slow then down enough! If the players don't have the guts and/or technique to tackle then they have to look at themselves, they're professionals.

Coaches get too much blame for poor application of skills. However, I do accept that good coaches will always produce better teams as the players want to play as well as they can for their coach and this is what Powell lacks. He's not a leader, so the players aren't doing what they should for him

Re: v HUDDERSFIELD : Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:42 pm  

I think in essence we are all saying the same thing in a roundabout way!!!

Clarky showed our stats at about 80 odd % tackle rate which I didnt react to. When he said that equates to 48 tackles missed I nearly fell of my chair. He then showed two examples of simple one on ones being missed.

48 tackles is one good players tackles in a game-hooker for example