Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:10 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

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New years day at a bursting Central park, beating Wigan, being the only side to beat them in the league all season
I know how good that was, I know how good Boyd Tamati and Jackson Were...........I was there

Me too, biscuit......and I'm still not dry, 28 years on.

IT P155ED IT DOWN, that day. But the win more than made up for it. I can still see a soaked Paul Cullen grinning from ear to ear.

There have been 3 happy periods in my Wire watching life

1. The Tony Smith era, starting from the first Wembley win

2. The Johnny Davies season. Bateman superb. Kelly "Genius" Shellford, Mackey (RIP) and to some extent Ellis, Myler. All this class, on the back of (let's be honest) a bit of an average pack.

3. The Boyd era from Sept 85 'til the end of 87. The next couple of years after were showing the signs of Les and Kevin getting a little creaky in their dotage, but still quality. Add to these, the likes of both Gregorys, Mark (manlove) Roberts and a raw Gary Sanderson. Class again, on the back of (again, being honest) a bit of an average 3/4 line.

Now, to me, I can't split eras 2 and 3, but they're better than era 1.

Eras 2 and 3 just oozed excitement and anticipation from finishing college/work on a Friday afternoon until leaving the pub on a Sunday night. Today's team (as good as they are) just doesn't "float my boat" as much.

(imo) there's more to life than winning trophies. Eras 2 and 3 embody this for me

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:06 pm  

the flying biscuit wrote:

No surprises that Sally turns all "Rogues" on us and brings out the "what did they win?" line. Rickey Bibey has two challenge cup winners medals from his time at Saints and wigan.... he was still an average plodder with limited talent.... I dont understand Sals disdain for the phrase "Boyd Tamati Jackson"...its like a red rag to a bull......

Apparently when it suits Sals arguments, the full time professional league is an indication of how better this current Wire side is than anything that has gone before. But when a criticism of the game in general is to be made the standards of the game are lower than in the late 80's when we were "closest to beating the Aussies" etc.. when we "had players like hanley gregory and Edwards"...etc etc. Make your mind up. which is the weakest period for rugby League I cant tell.

I don't have disdain for great Wire players of the past....someone asked about comparing them to Morley, Monaghan and Carvell and I argued for Morley, Monaghan and Carvell.

The 'semi professional league' line is the one usually that gets brought out when people talk about how good the great Wigan team was - "yes but they had no opposition".

I do agree with you that there were great individual players around in the past like those guys you say, that don't seem to be around today and for me the strongest era of rugby league was around the mid 1990s just before Super League came in - 1994 season stands out as a highlight for me in terms of the strength of the GB side and the Australia side, and also the great club sides of those eras like Wigan and Canberra.

I'm not knocking great players from our history but I do try and bring some realism in to the old rose tinted glasses brigade, we've had these type of arguments before and you don't tend to like it being pointed out that Warrington in the good old days were a very inconsistent team that most seasons finished mid table or lower, and had some good Cup runs, good memories yes but don't overrate them. Whereas the Tony Smith teams have been consistently right near the top.

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:43 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Didn't Morley, Monaghan and Carvell win three Challenge Cups, a heck of a lot more than Boyd, Tamati and Jackson.

They were also playing in a league where everyone was full time professional.

Back in Boyd, Tamati and Jackson's day it was largely a semi professional competition hence one team won everything, and it wasn't us.

What jobs did Boyd Tamati and Jackson have?
Warrington's pack was formidable then. Boyd and Tamati are two of the hardest forwards I've ever seen

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:36 am  

Wasn't Bob Jackson a binman?

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:50 am  

lefty goldblatt wrote:

Now, to me, I can't split eras 2 and 3, but they're better than era 1.

Eras 2 and 3 just oozed excitement and anticipation from finishing college/work on a Friday afternoon until leaving the pub on a Sunday night. Today's team (as good as they are) just doesn't "float my boat" as much.

(imo) there's more to life than winning trophies. Eras 2 and 3 embody this for me

Don't you think that it's the age you were watching Eras 2 and 3 that made them more exciting?

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:14 am  

The All New Chester Wire wrote:

Don't you think that it's the age you were watching Eras 2 and 3 that made them more exciting?

That would be my view. I started watching in 74 ie just after THE glory season and saw some absolute dross but lived for Sunday afternoon....even when it involved being chased round the slag heaps of Featherstone.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:23 am  

The All New Chester Wire wrote:

Don't you think that it's the age you were watching Eras 2 and 3 that made them more exciting?

Good point on a great off season thread, may be a case of taking the P&B spectacles off and putting some rose tinted ones on?

Yes it was brilliant being the underdog, but, capable of bloodying anyone's nose and we could take solace from some hard luck stories and close losses, if only this and only that our trophy cabinet would have had a different sheen, but, for sustained success and let's not forget some stellar RL the TS era takes some beating......a bit like a front row of Boyd Tamati Jackson

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:20 pm  

Assuming this is not another predictable windup post I think Sally would change his argument if he had ever saw them play.

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:22 pm  

Era 3 for me - every time. Exciting, biff and some cracking crowds and atmosphere.

Re: Boyd Tamati Jackson : Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:50 pm  

The All New Chester Wire wrote:

Don't you think that it's the age you were watching Eras 2 and 3 that made them more exciting?

I dont think so to be honest. If Andrew John's had been fit to play for us for a season I have no doubt it would have ranked with the Jonathan Davies season. Even if we had won nothing. I was just as excited for the johns debut versus leeds at the HJ as I was for anything back in the day.