Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:59 am  

little wayne69 wrote:

Let us know when its happening then i can stop in Normy, i am still traumatized from seeing jingers bum hanging over the side of the toilet in a bar in France what a sight man you can tell why he won the national finals of builders bum of the year twice on the trot

Bloody hell, how did I get dragged into this?

Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:00 pm  

FickleFingerOfFate wrote:

You don't see the 'big' clubs having trouble with injuries in the backs, this is because the forwards do their job and take the pressure off them.
The backs don't have to help the forwards out as much, like they have to a a lesser club, this minimises the risk of injury and this is the reason why we have bulked up in the forwards.

No one did more to help the forwards than Cockayne and Fox, but Collis always seemed to miss more games than both. It sounds good on paper, but to think we'll have no injures in the backs due to bigger forwards is a little unrealistic in my opinion.

Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:25 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

No matter how miraculous it is, we still short of depth in the backs.

In your opinion.

Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:34 pm  

WTW are not the only team who have announced a squad that doesn't include a clud trained player in the first 17. HKR have announced their's today :-

1. Kieran Dixon 2. Ben Cockayne 3. Darrel Goulding 4. Josh Mantellato 5. Ken Sio 6. Maurice Blair
7. Albert Kelly 8. Adam Walker 9. Keal Carlile 10. Mick Weyman 11. Kevin Larroyer 12. Graeme Horne
13. Tyrone McCarthy 14. Mitchell Allgood 15. James Donaldson 16. Ryan Bailey 17. Greg Burke
18. Liam Salter 19. Kris Welham 20. James Green 21. Aaron Ollett 22. Jordan Cox 23. Terry Campese
24. John Boudebza 25. Macauley Hallett 26. Sonny Esslemont 27. Josh Guzdek 28. Connor Robinson
29. Matty Marsh 30. Steven Holker

Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:49 pm  

Tigerade wrote:

WTW are not the only team who have announced a squad that doesn't include a clud trained player in the first 17. HKR have announced their's today :-

1. Kieran Dixon 2. Ben Cockayne 3. Darrel Goulding 4. Josh Mantellato 5. Ken Sio 6. Maurice Blair
7. Albert Kelly 8. Adam Walker 9. Keal Carlile 10. Mick Weyman 11. Kevin Larroyer 12. Graeme Horne
13. Tyrone McCarthy 14. Mitchell Allgood 15. James Donaldson 16. Ryan Bailey 17. Greg Burke
18. Liam Salter 19. Kris Welham 20. James Green 21. Aaron Ollett 22. Jordan Cox 23. Terry Campese
24. John Boudebza 25. Macauley Hallett 26. Sonny Esslemont 27. Josh Guzdek 28. Connor Robinson
29. Matty Marsh 30. Steven Holker

To me this is such a non issue - millions of people support Chelsea (for example) and they don't have more than two English played in their first team - and I mean English, not Londoners or from the borough of Chelsea - they seem too do quite well.

Also Owen,Smith and Kirmond are products of the area and could just as easily player as juniors at Wakey - so in these cases we got our men in the end, does it really matter how it happens. In the meantime the ranks of some SL clubs and many many lower league clubs have had been much improved by ex Wakefield juniors - job done.

Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:03 pm  

A balance between to two is preferred by most clubs. Ideally some of the ex-WTW players in he ranks of SL clubs and lower league clubs produced by WTW should be playing for WTW.

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Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:40 pm  

Don't think the squad is actually listed on here.....

1 Craig Hall
2 Chris Riley
3 Dean Collis
4 Reece Lyne
5 Richard Owen
6 Jacob Miller
7 Tim Smith
8 Nick Scruton
9 Paul McShane
10 Scott Anderson
11 Ali Lauitiiti
12 Daniel Kirmond
13 Danny Washbrook
14 Pita Godinet
15 Matt Ryan
16 Mickael Simon
17 Matty Ashurst
18 Daniel Smith
19 Jon Molloy
20 Jarrod Sammut
21 Max Jowitt
22 Jordan Crowther
23 Lopini Paea
24 Tom Johnstone
25 Ian Kirke
26 Chris Annakin
27 Kyle Trout

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Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:47 pm  

vastman wrote:

To me this is such a non issue - millions of people support Chelsea (for example) and they don't have more than two English played in their first team - and I mean English, not Londoners or from the borough of Chelsea - they seem too do quite well.

Also Owen,Smith and Kirmond are products of the area and could just as easily player as juniors at Wakey - so in these cases we got our men in the end, does it really matter how it happens. In the meantime the ranks of some SL clubs and many many lower league clubs have had been much improved by ex Wakefield juniors - job done.

I tend to agree on this. The spirit of the original rule is being forgotten.

The point was to make sure the young players are protected from having overseas/kolpac players taking their place unfairly and limiting their development.
The other rules help with that.
What happens now if none of our youth team are good enough for Super League. Do we have to keep 7 and just sit them their, even though we have money to go get others.

Of course it isn't that big an issue to us as we aren't in a position to go buying big anyway, so the youth is a good way to go, but if we do develop, and they then get picked up by other teams, how does a club like Wakefield keep finding another group to put in the squad?

Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:10 pm  

imwakefieldtillidie wrote:

No one did more to help the forwards than Cockayne and Fox, but Collis always seemed to miss more games than both. It sounds good on paper, but to think we'll have no injures in the backs due to bigger forwards is a little unrealistic in my opinion.

This is the problem for the 'lesser' clubs, if Cockayne and Fox are helping the forwards out, they are less effective in attack.
Not saying we won't get injuries in the back line but not having to do some of the hard work up the middle for the forwards will cut down that risk.
Never really saw Keith Senior ripping it up down the middle for Leeds.
As has been mentioned, we have Ryan, possibly Gilmour and Miller to fill in the three quarters.
I would rather be where we are now, than a top class back line and no forwards.

Re: Squad Numbers : Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:36 pm  

FickleFingerOfFate wrote:

This is the problem for the 'lesser' clubs, if Cockayne and Fox are helping the forwards out, they are less effective in attack.
Not saying we won't get injuries in the back line but not having to do some of the hard work up the middle for the forwards will cut down that risk.
Never really saw Keith Senior ripping it up down the middle for Leeds.
As has been mentioned, we have Ryan, possibly Gilmour and Miller to fill in the three quarters.
I would rather be where we are now, than a top class back line and no forwards.

It didn't seem to affect Carney at Cas last season and tbf Fox's finishing was always pretty good, his problems were when the other team had the ball (or put it in the air)
Wingers taking the ball in is part of the job, unless of course they are being expected to take the ball out of defence too often.
Fox and Cockayne were both excellent at helping clear our line !