Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:12 pm  

Old Feller wrote:

I also thought that the Aussies got away with a number of late hits on Johnson after he'd kicked the ball that ought to have been penalised.
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They made the same late hits on our Smith when we played them - clear cynical tactic.

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:21 pm  

Even though there were repeated instances of Johnson being taken out after the kick, they weren't hits as such, more dragged to the ground. It was an obvious tactic to keep him out of the game, pee him off & tire him out. They were penalties however. Why anyone would want to take Smith out of the game is another question.

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:28 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

They made the same late hits on our Smith when we played them - clear cynical tactic.

Agreed.
I thought that Cronk stood deeper to prevent the Kiwis doing the same to him.
A tactic we should employ when playing the Wolves or Wigan, IMV the best two teams in putting pressure on the kicker in our game.

[Bullseye]

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:44 pm  

Standing deeper is alright provided you have enough power and accuracy to make up for being further back.

Surely late hits on kickers are the preserve of the touch judges who should keep an eye on such things? Who were they?

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:13 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Surely late hits on kickers are the preserve of the touch judges who should keep an eye on such things? Who were they?

Thing is, unless it's clear foul play - i.e. the hit is high or dangerous - TJs never flag for a kicker being prevented from chasing up his own kick and putting the rest of the chase onside.

It's clearly something the Australians have worked on, which is by the letter of the law illegal but they know they're never going to get penalised for.

Smart play and smart coaching, exploiting weak officiating.

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:16 pm  

Toosmooth wrote:

I wholeheartedly concur Re: Jonathan Davies

A happy coiincidence that the RU Autumn Internationals rendered him unnavailable. I have total respect for the guy as a player of both codes, but he's just not a great commentator and is now getting into the "grumpy old man" phase of his life. You know the type, older, more detached from the actual game he's watching and likes to constantly make comments using his own brand of geriatric logic without any real basis in reality.

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:21 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Thing is, unless it's clear foul play - i.e. the hit is high or dangerous - TJs never flag for a kicker being prevented from chasing up his own kick and putting the rest of the chase onside.

It's clearly something the Australians have worked on, which is by the letter of the law illegal but they know they're never going to get penalised for.

Smart play and smart coaching, exploiting weak officiating.

A bit like head butting a kicker and key playmaker in the face during a big game and passing it off as an accidental clash of heads.

In the Saturday game Australia got away with murder with late hits - very delibertately not going high, but hitting a player long after he is expecting to be hit is dangerous in it's own way. They also seemed impervious to being penalised for putting a third man into the tackle after the ref had called held and the tackled player was getting up to play the ball. Officials intimidated by the Kangeroos? Can't imagine

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:12 pm  

DHM wrote:

A bit like head butting a kicker and key playmaker in the face during a big game and passing it off as an accidental clash of heads.

I wouldn't class Luke Dorn as a kicker...

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:00 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I wouldn't class Luke Dorn as a kicker...

I think he's talking about Monaghan on Sinfield in the 2012 GF.

Re: 4 Nations 2014 thread : Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:35 pm  

DHM wrote:

he's just not a great commentator and is now getting into the "grumpy old man" phase of his life. You know the type, older, more detached from the actual game he's watching and likes to constantly make comments using his own brand of geriatric logic without any real basis in reality.

Why are you going on about posters on the SSer boards during a message about Jonathan Davies?!

Hehe!