Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:04 am  

goobervision wrote:

Does every infringement that results in a ban trigger a disciplinary process? Do clubs get to pic and choose who gets a double investigation and punishment? Where are the same kinds of events in the rest of the league for ban-able offences?

Remember the Long and Gleeson betting scandal, what did the club do there?

^^ This....Paul Wood hit Pettybourne more than twice for no reason and got hardly anything, Flower gets elbowed in the face and reacts and gets letahered from all angles, Lance deserved the 2 Flower was just unlucky he has a glass jaw.

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:34 am  

Pieman wrote:

^^ This....Paul Wood hit Pettybourne more than twice for no reason and got hardly anything, Flower gets elbowed in the face and reacts and gets letahered from all angles, Lance deserved the 2 Flower was just unlucky he has a glass jaw.

Flower did not get elbowed, never mind in his face he was barely touched by LH with a pushing off leading forearm, that Flower instigated the whole thing in backfield seems to have passed you by.
The first punch was a sending off offence in its own right and not warranted retaliation, the second punch was just well...plenty has being said.
He has been punished with a decently hefty ban, but the financial punishment imposed by your club doesn't make sense and would appear on the face of it OTT unless there is another motive behind it.

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:35 am  

The ban was imposed by the RFL for bringing the game into disrepute. This fine is imposed by Wigan for tarnishing the name of the club, both ban & fine are warranted IMO

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:31 am  

We really have been conditioned by the tory media haven't we? Flower was a headline above ebola, a tweet of a white van & England flags is above hospitals closing due to cost cuttings, and no mention of further faults being found in nuclear reactors meaning power cuts over winter. The irony is rugby league never gets any attention on the southern tory media and here we are bending to there snobish judgements because we fear our sponsors may pull the plug. Yet in yawnion you can stamp on the players head and no one gives a toss what northerners think about it. Sponsors beware, we have no media coverage so you may as well pull out of the sport if you think throwing a punch may tarnish your image.

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:34 am  

Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy wrote:

I wish I could be stopped from doing my job for 6 months due to gross misconduct and still get 75% of my salary.

Imagine the Big Mac shortage that would hit West Yorkshire........

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:28 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Flower did not get elbowed, never mind in his face he was barely touched by LH with a pushing off leading forearm, that Flower instigated the whole thing in backfield seems to have passed you by.
The first punch was a sending off offence in its own right and not warranted retaliation, the second punch was just well...plenty has being said.
He has been punished with a decently hefty ban, but the financial punishment imposed by your club doesn't make sense and would appear on the face of it OTT unless there is another motive behind it.

Getting really sick of the Hohaia apologists now and their 'Flower started it in back play' mantra. I'm not going over the same ground (see previous post) but are you saying every penalty on a rugby field should result in those offended against running 10 metres or so to elbow someone in the face? Get a grip man! And before you say he wasn't elbowed in the face again, I suggest you Google 'Lance Hohaia elbow'. It's really not that difficult!

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:15 pm  

jinkin jimmy wrote:

Imagine the Big Mac shortage that would hit West Yorkshire........

Always been a Burger King man myself.

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:04 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Getting really sick of the Hohaia apologists now and their 'Flower started it in back play' mantra. I'm not going over the same ground (see previous post) but are you saying every penalty on a rugby field should result in those offended against running 10 metres or so to elbow someone in the face? Get a grip man! And before you say he wasn't elbowed in the face again, I suggest you Google 'Lance Hohaia elbow'. It's really not that difficult!

You are factually inaccurate. Hohaia used a forearm to the face, not an elbow, and that is what he received a one match ban for. The Sky footage quite clearly shows Flower push Hohaia in the back off the ball hard enough for Hohaia to fall over after which Hohaia ran after Flower and forearmed him in the face. There are no Hohaia apologists; but there are deluded people like yourself who think that Flower's actions were somehow justified or lessened by the fact that Hohaia responded with a forearm to the face to being pushed over off the ball (something the referee should have dealt with at the time).

I think Flower has been lucky myself. He was charged by Wigan with gross misconduct. In any career that equates to dismissal.

Whether anyone likes it or not Flower exposed the sport to national scrutiny and any follow up from Wigan had to reflect the degree of that scrutiny because that is the degree to which Wigan have to repair his and their reputations. Two versions of Flower's punches to Hohaia have been seen by over one and a half million people each on YouTube alone. Add to that pictures in every online news agency and print publication plus the footage on 24 hour TV news bulletins here and abroad as well as the audience for the match itself and that is significant damage done to the reputation of Ben Flower and, by association, Wigan (and the sport as a whole if the kind of discussions that went on in the aftermath are anything to go by).

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:10 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

You are factually inaccurate. Hohaia used a forearm to the face, not an elbow, and that is what he received a one match ban for. The Sky footage quite clearly shows Flower push Hohaia in the back off the ball hard enough for Hohaia to fall over after which Hohaia ran after Flower and forearmed him in the face. There are no Hohaia apologists; but there are deluded people like yourself who think that Flower's actions were somehow justified or lessened by the fact that Hohaia responded with a forearm to the face to being pushed over off the ball (something the referee should have dealt with at the time).

I think Flower has been lucky myself. He was charged by Wigan with gross misconduct. In any career that equates to dismissal.

Whether anyone likes it or not Flower exposed the sport to national scrutiny and any follow up from Wigan had to reflect the degree of that scrutiny because that is the degree to which Wigan have to repair his and their reputations. Two versions of Flower's punches to Hohaia have been seen by over one and a half million people each on YouTube alone. Add to that pictures in every online news agency and print publication plus the footage on 24 hour TV news bulletins here and abroad as well as the audience for the match itself and that is significant damage done to the reputation of Ben Flower and, by association, Wigan (and the sport as a whole if the kind of discussions that went on in the aftermath are anything to go by).

he checked flowers run and got pushed out of the way, he reacts the forearm to the face and gets sparked out for it. Because he was KO'd people are feeling sorry for him. Guys an idiot who has got off very very lightly and the other guy has been made a scapegoat.

Re: Wigan complete Flower's Disciplinary Process : Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:11 pm  

knockersbumpMKII wrote:

Flower did not get elbowed, never mind in his face he was barely touched by LH with a pushing off leading forearm, that Flower instigated the whole thing in backfield seems to have passed you by.
The first punch was a sending off offence in its own right and not warranted retaliation, the second punch was just well...plenty has being said.
He has been punished with a decently hefty ban, but the financial punishment imposed by your club doesn't make sense and would appear on the face of it OTT unless there is another motive behind it.

Thats like saying Flower barely touched him. He barely touched him with a poushing off leading fist.