Re: Lee Mossop : Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:46 pm  

Lee who?

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Lee Mossop : Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:29 pm  

This is one of them threads that would have disappeared ages ago if not for the Bods coming on here, repeatedly saying, this is a poop thread.




Just let it die, man

Re: Lee Mossop : Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:14 am  

Uncle Rico wrote:

Fair do's Wireone, I agree.

We don't really want to 'live' in a Virtual Terrace world where it seems that pedantry reigns supreme. There are people on there who seem to take great delight in scoring points rather than making them, so much so that eventually there's no point, a bit like this really so I apologise

Apologies not necessary as no offence had been taken.

Re: Lee Mossop : Fri Nov 14, 2014 10:24 am  

Fair do's. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22277940 Wigan Warriors: Lenagan thinks NRL players will return Wigan Warriors chairman Ian Lenagan is confident those who leave for the NRL will eventually return to the club as better players. It was announced on Tuesday that Lee Mossop and Gareth Hock will move to Australia to join Parramatta Eels at the end of the year. "We are confident that if we allow our players to go to the NRL they will come back much stronger players," he said. "And at least 50% of them will come back to Wigan." Ian Lenagan Wigan Warriors chairman

Fair do's. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22277940 Wigan Warriors: Lenagan thinks NRL players will return Wigan Warriors chairman Ian Lenagan is confident those who leave for the NRL will eventually return to the club as better players. It was announced on Tuesday that Lee Mossop and Gareth Hock will move to Australia to join Parramatta Eels at the end of the year. "We are confident that if we allow our players to go to the NRL they will come back much stronger players," he said. "And at least 50% of them will come back to Wigan." Ian Lenagan Wigan Warriors chairman

Re: Lee Mossop : Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:27 am  

Wires71 wrote:

Wigan Warriors chairman Ian Lenagan
It was announced on Tuesday that Lee Mossop and Gareth Hock will move to Australia to join Parramatta Eels at the end of the year.

"And at least 50% of them will come back to Wigan."

Ian Lenagan
Wigan Warriors chairman

He was 100% wrong then.

Re: Lee Mossop : Fri Nov 14, 2014 5:20 pm  

Paul Youane wrote:

What are you on about? I said the duty of care to the players was in relation to playing too much Super League rugby in the forwards at a young age.

Now would any of the Wigan fans posting on here care to respond to the question I posed three pages ago:

"Now you tell me which of Wigan's academy produced props have matured into their careers rather than peaking early and fading away generally under an injury cloud?"


Obviously don't expect Rogues to answer this as we all know on here he has a history in respect to dodging questions.

But that's exactly the point. There is no evidence that you can provide (outside of your own unsubstantiated bias) that they do. Of the instances you mentioned, only Prescott could even come close to your description and he had injury problems throughout his carreer! Some players are like that. Rogues has already answered that the rest of your examples are wrong and you still haven't shown any examples of how Warrington don't do what you accuse Wigan of! In fact, I'd be very surprised if you could. All teams play their young props when they perceive them to be ready (Walmsley at Saints, Crosby at Wigan for example). In both instances they've been brought in slowly, usually first from the bench. We, as a club have shown duty of care in this way, if that's what you want to call it, with every youngster who's ever played for us. To be honest, I don't know of any club that doesn't. On occasion we've played players when injured. Equally I can say I don't know of any club that doesn't. If you're looking at making a point over how young players are introduced to the game then it doesn't do it justice by singling out a club just to score points. All clubs follow very similar lines. If you think the approach is wrong then feel free to say so but let's do it in an even handed way hey?

Re: Lee Mossop : Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:39 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

But that's exactly the point. There is no evidence that you can provide (outside of your own unsubstantiated bias) that they do. Of the instances you mentioned, only Prescott could even come close to your description and he had injury problems throughout his carreer! Some players are like that. Rogues has already answered that the rest of your examples are wrong and you still haven't shown any examples of how Warrington don't do what you accuse Wigan of! In fact, I'd be very surprised if you could. All teams play their young props when they perceive them to be ready (Walmsley at Saints, Crosby at Wigan for example). In both instances they've been brought in slowly, usually first from the bench. We, as a club have shown duty of care in this way, if that's what you want to call it, with every youngster who's ever played for us. To be honest, I don't know of any club that doesn't. On occasion we've played players when injured. Equally I can say I don't know of any club that doesn't. If you're looking at making a point over how young players are introduced to the game then it doesn't do it justice by singling out a club just to score points. All clubs follow very similar lines. If you think the approach is wrong then feel free to say so but let's do it in an even handed way hey?

Christ another Wigan fan coming on here and not even answering the question that has been asked.

FYI Mossop was the example that I feel has suffered by playing too much Super League rugby at a young age. You can look and see that I referred to Super League Clubs having a duty of care to their young players, with Mossop being the player under discussion obviously focus is on Wigan. For other examples you could look at what the Wigan coach said about Bateman when Wigan signed him and him being let down by his previous club, you could also look at what he said about Burke playing more games than he should of during his first season. Do you think Shaun Wane was wrong?

Alex Walmsley? Wasn't he 23 before he made his debut in Super League. I reckon he will have a decent career into his 30's.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Lee Mossop : Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:41 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

But that's exactly the point. There is no evidence that you can provide (outside of your own unsubstantiated bias) that they do. Of the instances you mentioned, only Prescott could even come close to your description and he had injury problems throughout his carreer! Some players are like that. Rogues has already answered that the rest of your examples are wrong and you still haven't shown any examples of how Warrington don't do what you accuse Wigan of! In fact, I'd be very surprised if you could. All teams play their young props when they perceive them to be ready (Walmsley at Saints, Crosby at Wigan for example). In both instances they've been brought in slowly, usually first from the bench. We, as a club have shown duty of care in this way, if that's what you want to call it, with every youngster who's ever played for us. To be honest, I don't know of any club that doesn't. On occasion we've played players when injured. Equally I can say I don't know of any club that doesn't. If you're looking at making a point over how young players are introduced to the game then it doesn't do it justice by singling out a club just to score points. All clubs follow very similar lines. If you think the approach is wrong then feel free to say so but let's do it in an even handed way hey?

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Re: Lee Mossop : Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:39 pm  

May get shot down with this it is off season so excuse me.
The way I look at it is that once Warrington start producing and relying on the amount of talent through their own youth structure as Wigan, who have and continue to do so, you will find that a Paul Prescot situation turns up. I do hope you continue down this path as it will be good for RL. Injuries are part of the game, I would guess the more top level players you produce would lead to an higher level of names that you can mention who get injured?
Just going off Paul wood I think he had a bad run with injuries (you will know more than me) Would say four or so seasons he was at the top of his game but has tailed off since maybe not enough care?or as I think a % of players will get injured playing rugby. Morley played a lot from a young age and he was still strong three seasons back and you could say at a higher level with his NRL stint.

Re: Lee Mossop : Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:33 am  

Imo 2013 was the best season Wood has ever played in his career, including when he played for GB.
Last season however, he was pretty much pants whenever he did get a game.