Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:20 am  

loiner81 wrote:

We couldn't agree more!

kindest regards,

Wigan & Saints (replaced 14 players between them in 2014) xxx

If it was as simple as just replacing numbers you would have a point!
2 front line Props one of which is JP ,Sinfield ,Jjb add in Mags on his last legs and the big ?'s over Aiton like i said "KEY" players!
The way WE are structured is basically on its last legs not only that much of the "depth" isn't up to stepping or is either still very raw & learning.
The Pies play a certain way that allows players to come & go much easier the systems never change we lack that rigid structure but rely on those listed to function.
Lets also not overlook that we aren't replacing good players we are eventually losing what our success has been built on we saw what happened when Harris left that was just one player the Team also need to learn to function without the likes of JP it would be much better to get 2/3 in now and then again for 2016.

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:35 am  

rhinoms wrote:

Lets also not overlook that we aren't replacing good players we are eventually losing what our success has been built on we saw what happened when Harris left that was just one player the Team also need to learn to function without the likes of JP it would be much better to get 2/3 in now and then again for 2016.

This is my biggest concern about us not bringing at least a couple in now to bed in for the inevitable retirements and moving on over the next couple of season. I truly don't expect anymore additions now though for next year going off GH's press release, he seems content, so however delusional we all feel that stance maybe, all the kicking and screaming in the world can't change it. so i will just sit back and try enjoy what will possibly be our last real chance at silverware before the big decline hits which looms ever closer.

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:14 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Really? That's what you're going with? F**king really???

Instead of just accepting that Leeds were better than Wigan on the day even though they'll have had a similar gameplan to Magic you come up with that?

That Wigan and Wane, who had been Wigan coach for nearly 2 and a half years at that point and a few years under McGuire as assistant when Wigan developed a reputation for their 'rough' tactics only realised and tried to be rough with Leeds after Wane saw Bateman have handbags with Peacock? The same Wane who was recorded a few months earlier giving his players free reign to create mayhem and knock people out? That he and Wigan didn't realise about Leeds' soft underbelly until that petty moment between Bateman and Peacock?

Have you been smoking drugs? Are you so obsessed with thinking, telling, spreading the news that all is rubbish at Leeds that you can come up with such a ridiculous theory?

Even those who think Leeds are in trouble next year and won't make the top 4 would surely laugh at the idea that that 'moment' and game at Headingley was some sort of realisation for Wane and Wigan as to how to approach Leeds.

Leeds were a side that even Wigan feared in a one off game because of their toughness especially when their back was against the wall. So there was a level of respect which meant they never took the p1ss with Leeds like they do with other sides - no cannonballs etc until game 1 after that it was open season.

I never said that Leeds weren't better than Wigan in game 1 so please read what I put before playing the "Big Man". Come on clever clogs let's hear your "definitive" reason as to why Wane in game two decided the way to beat Leeds was to ruffle their feathers? By game three Leeds were so cuckolded it was embarrassing. Wigan may well have lost the battle in game one but they sure won the war. Leeds with this squad will never be able to physically dominate the current Wigan side.

These little moments set the tone - its like a big hit it changes the tone of the game - of course you being the "expert" you are in your own mind of all things RL would have been able to see that!! Obviously that is beyond the limits of your myopic view. The bigger point was that Peacock never sorted Bateman out in game 1 he allowed Bateman to take the p1ss. That set a tone that cost Leeds - Peacock was never had the same impact.

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:57 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

The bigger point was that Peacock never sorted Bateman out in game 1 he allowed Bateman to take the p1ss. That set a tone that cost Leeds - Peacock was never had the same impact.

In fairness there is very little you can do these days with an irritating little t0$$pot like Batemen that wouldn't end up in some sort of card and/or a ban. He's a tough kid though and has some talent, perhaps someone we should have looked at (maybe we did?). Certainly more promise than the long list of nobodies we have invested in over the last few years to try and fill the non existant forward pipeline from our academy.

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:01 am  

Our forward production has been a bit underwhelming of late, but I'm not convinced by anything I've seen from him that Bateman offers anything better than we have. He plays in a better pack, but that doesn't make him a better player.

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:15 am  

When Bateman first emerged at Bradford, he looked like he was going to be a new Gareth Hock. A wide-running back rower who hit the line hard, broke tackles and hurt teams.

That seems to have dropped out of his game, so what you're left with is a niggly little sod of limited talent. Ironically, not unlike the current version of Gareth Hock.

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:31 am  

If Bateman's so great why does Wane leave him on the bench for nearly an hour in most big games?

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:08 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

When Bateman first emerged at Bradford, he looked like he was going to be a new Gareth Hock. A wide-running back rower who hit the line hard, broke tackles and hurt teams.

That seems to have dropped out of his game, so what you're left with is a niggly little sod of limited talent. Ironically, not unlike the current version of Gareth Hock.

Perhaps going from a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a bigger pond. Also Wigan play a very structured attacking game that relies on the second man play creating the extra man out wide. So a the need for Bateman's qualities are diminished. If you look at Wigan's back three O'loughlin plays as a 3rd playmaker, Farrell is a tackling machine, Tomkins is a dummy runner

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:16 am  

DHM wrote:

In fairness there is very little you can do these days with an irritating little t0$$pot like Batemen that wouldn't end up in some sort of card and/or a ban. He's a tough kid though and has some talent, perhaps someone we should have looked at (maybe we did?). Certainly more promise than the long list of nobodies we have invested in over the last few years to try and fill the non existant forward pipeline from our academy.

Even the guy from Leigh had a go at JP!!

Re: Getting left behind? : Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:22 am  

rhinoms wrote:

If it was as simple as just replacing numbers you would have a point!

It is though, if you bring in the right players.