Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:45 pm  

nohalfbacks wrote:

Now you are talking rubbish. I never once said that Bowen was rubbish. I merely used him as an example of how players take wrong options.

My valid point is that Saints did actually create overlaps without recognised halfbacks. They then decided not to exploit them. That could have been because, like Bowen, they chose the wrong option or it could be because the game plan was not to take the ball out wide. If it was then that is a strange strategy when a team has an extra man.

I do have a valid point that is actually one that my Saints friends pointed out and I happen to agree with. You clearly disagree which is fine. Its your defensive opinion.

Erm, I said Brown.

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:52 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Erm, I said Brown.

All my Saints friends have been saying all year that Brown is rubbish in their view. They are delighted that he is going. I personally think that he is a poor coach and that Saints will be a better team without him. I have also spoken with players who played under him at Huddersfield and they didn't think he was a good coach. Huddersfield were more successful after he left.

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:51 pm  

nohalfbacks wrote:

All my Saints friends have been saying all year that Brown is rubbish in their view. They are delighted that he is going. I personally think that he is a poor coach and that Saints will be a better team without him. I have also spoken with players who played under him at Huddersfield and they didn't think he was a good coach. Huddersfield were more successful after he left.

Whereas people like Paul Wellens tell friends that he is the best coach he has played under.

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:01 pm  

nohalfbacks wrote:

Yes creative halfbacks can create an overlap but when you already have an overlap without a halfback then the second rowers, centres and wingers are meant to finish it!

But you're assuming there that a second rower and centre can spot it. That they have the confidence in roles they have hardly ever played before to know how and when to fire the pass. Do they go to the player behind or in front? Do the execute a short pass, a cut out pass - could they even execute a cut out pass? How many second rowers execute cut out passes? Or even have to decide between a pass behind, a short pass or a cut out pass?

It's much safer to play up the middle if you're a forward even if you are a relatively good ball handling forward as Flanagan is because that is what you are used to and where your confidence lies.

Roby has said in one of his post match interviews that when Hohaia went off they had to drop a few plays because he was the link in those plays. All we had left were forwards. One of our wingers had to go to fullback and his centre had to go on the wing, with a prop going to the centre. Do you think LMS will have known what to do with a wide play?

Get real. We played a game plan based upon the personnel we had available. We messed it up a bit in the first half because the original game plan had to be partly abandoned due to the loss of a key part of that game plan in Hohaia. At halftime it was adjusted and we played to it accordingly.

We won. Therefore it was a winning game plan. You can't claim that Wigan's errors contributed to our win because we could say our errors meant we didn't win by more. At the end of the day we played to our strengths and beat you. That you were without one body on the pitch wasn't our fault. Maybe you should take that matter up with Waney babes.

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:02 pm  

Funny how this thread has gone from "Full credit to Wigan", to "Defend Stains"... lol

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:05 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

Saints started the season with one playmaker half back then lost him through injury. From the outset it was "Saints will be ok as long as Walsh stays fit".
Saints had no youth cover for Lomax, non for Walsh and non for Wilkin. If Saints had no cover then that's their fault no one else's. Stop complaining about it.
Wigan have cover,
Wire have cover,
Leeds have cover,
Hudds have cover,
Only starting the season with one playmaker half back was Saints decision so don't use it as some kind of reason or excuse.

Jon Wilkin was our cover for Walsh. He played at 7 last season and has done a couple of times in 2014 too. He's got better as time has gone on.
Wello was our cover for Lomax. We even brought in McDonnell to cover for Lomax but McDonnell broke his jaw.

Wigan may have cover for each of their halves and for their fullback but do they have cover for their cover? Because that's what we are talking about here. Not just cover; but cover for their cover.

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:37 pm  

Wigan Peer wrote:

Funny how this thread has gone from "Full credit to Wigan", to "Defend Stains"... lol

You're right, it's hilarious.

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:55 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Jon Wilkin was our cover for Walsh. He played at 7 last season and has done a couple of times in 2014 too. He's got better as time has gone on.
Wello was our cover for Lomax. We even brought in McDonnell to cover for Lomax but McDonnell broke his jaw.

Wigan may have cover for each of their halves and for their fullback but do they have cover for their cover? Because that's what we are talking about here. Not just cover; but cover for their cover.

Green (6) could have been replaced by Powell, Williams, Sarginson, Hampshire or O'Loughlin
Smith (7) could have been replaced by Williams, Powell
Bowen (1) could have been replaced by Sarginson, Charnley, Hampshire or Tierney

For me Wigan did have cover for their cover if required, ad may even have missed a few names off.

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:07 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

You're right, it's hilarious.

Yeah it's hilarious how you lot are hell bent on defending Saints no matter what. You stick with your players who can't pass or can't spot an overlap.

As for Wellen's comments about Brown he is hardly likely to criticise him while he still his coach! Anyway it's all academic now as you have just lost your really good coach apparently!

Re: full credit to wigan : Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:09 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Jon Wilkin was our cover for Walsh. He played at 7 last season and has done a couple of times in 2014 too. He's got better as time has gone on.
Wello was our cover for Lomax. We even brought in McDonnell to cover for Lomax but McDonnell broke his jaw.

Wigan may have cover for each of their halves and for their fullback but do they have cover for their cover? Because that's what we are talking about here. Not just cover; but cover for their cover.

I wasn't talking about cover at all. My point is about centres and second row forwards who apparently can't be trusted or incapable of spotting an overlap or even pass the ball.