Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:45 pm  

duke street 10 wrote:

Scores a try and was in a position to help create a try for Joel Tomkins yet Shenton appears favourite for most to be dropped from the backline.

Without any doubt it was notable to see that Shenton was available ( only) to take Clarkes pass following his break, obviously playing alongside the lad at Cas prepared him to look out for that move. Shenton is worth his place for his defence also he is as good as we have at tying his opposite number up in the centre position and will certainly retain his place and quite rightly.

Yes lets go back to the square peg/round hole philosophy of moving players from their club positions.

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:16 pm  

One day someone will wake up to the fact that Tomkins is a 6 not a 1

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:27 pm  

I cannot believe he's gone with the same back row. It's so weak it's untrue and Australia will no doubt smash us again.

We've got some decent players now, players not just surviving but thriving in the NRL. Yet we're so massively held back by the coach, a man with absolutely no credentials and who is utterly clueless.

Farrell is too small for international league. He's a good player in SL, a workhorse that does a hell of a lot of work for Wigan, most noticably in defense where he's forced to help out their weak front row. Joel Tomkins would be an automatic pick if he was the Tomkins that left for Union, but he's not. He's another year of development as a league player away from even being considered for England. No form at all and not good enough to pick regardless of form. Westerman is another player I like in SL, perfectly capable at that level and knocking on the door internationally. But against Australia he doesn't provide enough, it's a massive shame O'Loughlin is again injured. I'd agree with the suggestion of putting G.Burgess at 13. The 3 in there will be dominated and having the extra power in there would be useful.

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:14 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

I cannot believe he's gone with the same back row. It's so weak it's untrue and Australia will no doubt smash us again.

We've got some decent players now, players not just surviving but thriving in the NRL. Yet we're so massively held back by the coach, a man with absolutely no credentials and who is utterly clueless.

Farrell is too small for international league. He's a good player in SL, a workhorse that does a hell of a lot of work for Wigan, most noticably in defense where he's forced to help out their weak front row. Joel Tomkins would be an automatic pick if he was the Tomkins that left for Union, but he's not. He's another year of development as a league player away from even being considered for England. No form at all and not good enough to pick regardless of form. Westerman is another player I like in SL, perfectly capable at that level and knocking on the door internationally. But against Australia he doesn't provide enough, it's a massive shame O'Loughlin is again injured. I'd agree with the suggestion of putting G.Burgess at 13. The 3 in there will be dominated and having the extra power in there would be useful.

still expect 1 or 2 changes come game day, they had to announce the squad early

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:32 pm  

brearley84 wrote:

still expect 1 or 2 changes come game day, they had to announce the squad early

Fingers crossed.

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:25 pm  

Wire Yed wrote:

One day someone will wake up to the fact that Tomkins is a 6 not a 1

The professionals are all wrong and have been for several years then.

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:33 pm  

Sarginson was racking up the metres towards the end of the season for Wigan. I'd like to see him in at centre, or Hardaker. Or Sarginson and Hardaker on the edge but might be a little too risky in a game like this.

I'd get rid of Tom Burgess, Joe Westerman and Joel Tomkins from last week's squad too.

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:42 pm  

Sarginson would get killed against either of Aus' centres.

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:46 pm  

richardviking wrote:

The professionals are all wrong and have been for several years then.

Sam Tomkins first run out V OZ was in the halves he scored one try and but for Sam Burgess's stupidity would have given us a 16 or was it a 22 to 0 lead?

He worried the Aussies in that match at times I think he was 18 years old then, so he has the credentials for those positions at this level already on his CV.

Watching the Holden cup on P/sports there were a couple of youngsters one at F/Back and another at stand off who's prime position is F/Back also, both are very good prospects and I maintain that Sam will move up into the Halves to partner Johnson either next or the season following.
He also should be done the same with for England in time for the 2017 WWC.

Re: England vs Australia: do or almost die. : Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:57 pm  

For me Id go the same

apart from

Westerman OUT full stop - Straight swap for O'loughlin - Failing that G Burguess to 13 and Copper at prop

Id also drop 1 of the other back rows and unleash whitehead

Also as this game is now must win - we need an attacking mentality and Id be tempted to put hardaker at centre instead of Shenton