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Re: 4 Nations : Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:53 pm  
I think McNamara should build the England team around westerman, who's was good for hull last season in a poor team!!! Get a grip people, for me totally summed up westerman today's performance, decent player, never be anything more
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Re: 4 Nations : Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:41 pm  
Westerman made 33 tackles in hat, about what 40 minutes of play with 6 runs for 60metres and no errors aside from a missed tackle maybe?
So on that I'd say he was totally used as a prop, a stopper down the middle. Macbanana is clueless, it was so obvious we had them on the outside which Westerman could have being instrumental in but no..we just tried the crash bang stuff. I've never seen such a poor attacking side in years..
Westerman is being bagged but tbh whilst he hasn't set the world alight, he poked his nose through a few times he did very very little wrong in his first international outing after not playing for the best part of two months..
J Tomkins and Ferres need dropping if you ask me.
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Re: 4 Nations : Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:33 am  
I think many forget that Samoa are no mugs , this was never going to be a walk over. To many mistakes and discipline made it tougher but they got the win and thats what matters .
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Re: 4 Nations : Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:33 am  
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But if his intentions are to play a huge pack then going with Westerman to start at 13 is ridiculous, like you point out, it's not his game. I'm a fan of Westerman, think he is a good player but he has to play as a ball handling LF to be effective.

As for the Aussies, one thing you can pretty much be certain on, they won't play that badly again next week.


I think you miss understand me. I don't think it was Maccas intention initially, but we got sucked into it. Hence he took Westy off and went down the middle. If the off load in front of their sticks to Smith had come off we would have been praising a mom performance IMHO. It didn't and we went into our shell which required far too many props and a complete lack of inventiveness. All Smith did was kick. Widdop did very little on attack and Tomkins was in effective all round. All be it Martyn Sadler claimed his try was a brilliant piece of inventive play (see is tweet).
The only true zip and spark we got was from Clark. First touch of the ball creates a try and then went into his shell.
It was negative all round. If we had used the ball out wide the Samoans were there for the taking, but we decided on a forward battle.

That said we could not under estimate the Samoans who have a wealth of NRL experience, but we should have been a lot smarter, starting with our pivots spreading it wide.
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Re: 4 Nations : Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:22 am  
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Westerman made 33 tackles in hat, about what 40 minutes of play with 6 runs for 60metres and no errors aside from a missed tackle maybe?
So on that I'd say he was totally used as a prop, a stopper down the middle. Macbanana is clueless, it was so obvious we had them on the outside which Westerman could have being instrumental in but no..we just tried the crash bang stuff. I've never seen such a poor attacking side in years..
Westerman is being bagged but tbh whilst he hasn't set the world alight, he poked his nose through a few times he did very very little wrong in his first international outing after not playing for the best part of two months..
J Tomkins and Ferres need dropping if you ask me.


Fair summary.
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Re: 4 Nations : Sun Oct 26, 2014 8:43 pm  
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Westerman made 33 tackles in hat, about what 40 minutes of play with 6 runs for 60metres and no errors aside from a missed tackle maybe?
So on that I'd say he was totally used as a prop, a stopper down the middle. Macbanana is clueless, it was so obvious we had them on the outside which Westerman could have being instrumental in but no..we just tried the crash bang stuff. I've never seen such a poor attacking side in years..
Westerman is being bagged but tbh whilst he hasn't set the world alight, he poked his nose through a few times he did very very little wrong in his first international outing after not playing for the best part of two months..
J Tomkins and Ferres need dropping if you ask me.


No errors except a poor offload that led to another players' error.

International LF is a different position than Super League LF. Watch how Greg Bird plays.
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Re: 4 Nations : Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:54 pm  
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No errors except a poor offload that led to another players' error.

International LF is a different position than Super League LF. Watch how Greg Bird plays.


Oh wow, so you think listening to the commentary and repeating it makes any valid point whatsoever...it doesn't.
Greg Bird can afford to play the way he does because he has had for the most part top quality halves and pivots that can get the ball to where its needed..we don't. And frankly one badly executed offload that didn't come off doesn't validate the original comment made or have you only been watching rugby for 5 minutes??

I'd rather watch someone make attempts like that than crash bang boring wallop down the middle with a micturate poor kick chase for 70 minutes until your opposition flag and you get them out wide/find gaps down the middle. That's all that happened Saturday. It was obvious they were going to run out of gas before us but frankly it was as dull as dishwater, predictable and the attacking lines were truly shocking.

the Kiwis will smash us to pieces on that showing.
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Re: 4 Nations : Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:09 am  
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Re: 4 Nations : Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:02 pm  
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No errors except a poor offload that led to another players' error.

International LF is a different position than Super League LF. Watch how Greg Bird plays.


Greg Bird gave away a couple of cheap penalties that are more a cardinal sin than trying a difficult offload.

As Noble said. The offload was worth the risk given the state of play and position on the field.
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Re: 4 Nations : Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:44 pm  
Bird doesn't play loose man for GC and is only playing there due to Gallen's ban. Comparison is pointless.
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