Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:51 am  

isaac1, your wasting your time on here buy suggesting anything other than the status quo on Super League matters,there not interested on life outside there Super League,or how to breath new life into the game at all levels,right from the grass roots up to the England team.they just dont see the game is on its knees.

We nutters from Keighley relized that back at the formation of Super League,but I am not on here to give people a history lesson or to gloat,(you can check out my previous post for that,or even go on one of those pesky nutters forums from lower league clubs).
No,I would just like to express my sympathy for the backroom staff at the Bulls,who many I would imagine will be wondering if they will still have a job,there does not seem to be much thought paid to those individuals.
Players will come and go and am pretty sure the Bulls fans will be still watching a team next season,but I would imagine that brutal cuts will be made with regards to the backroom staff,being out of work in these times is no fun.So best of luck to those people in finding new work,because thats were my sympathy lies.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:55 am  

dagger wrote:

Everyone knew that 10 teams were staying up, the rest relegated.

For God's sake, try and get your facts right before you post.

[Bullseye]

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:58 am  

shaunw78 wrote:

...am pretty sure the Bulls fans will be still watching a team next season,

Might be in NL1 or 2. Maybe a tasty derby at Lawkholme Lane!

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:59 am  

isaac1 wrote:

This debate does raise some serious questions about our game. It was founded out of a unified decision based on justice and fairness. 117 years later and those values have evaporated.

The fanbase of our sport was struggling to finance part time players in most top division clubs in 1995, and Superleague was supposed to bring financial security and a new level of professionalism and growth of the sport.

The international game is now weaker than it was pre SL and the sky cash goes directly into the hands of the now full time players. we are told year on year that crowds are up, but how many of these people pay a full price, or any price?

The move to summer has been beneficial in some respects, but how much more revenue would a proper kangaroo tour enable clubs to earn? is it worth it?

what happens if the sky money stops? our sport would change beyond recognition. With the advent of professional rugby union, how would we survive with all the best young players playing union?

the heart of our game was always the community. am I the only person that prefers going to Wheldon Rd rather than the galpharm, or prefered Knowlsey rd to langtree park?

The sport needs to stop dreaming of a european wide league, and focus on preserving the roots of our professional (or semi pro) game.

If you havent seen them, try and get copies of the two "when push comes to shove" books. Look at the pictures and read the articles. Thats what Rugby league is about!

Excellent post.

Unfortunately, because of the advent of the Super League, couple with the growth of the internet, being a Rugby League supporter is not now what it was.

We had a camaradarie other sports could only dream of, and now the game is bitter, divided, and full of accusations of self interest. We seriously need to reassess what values we aspire to.

It's very well spouting the RL is a business line, but the current set up is clearly failing, while leaving many lower league fans disheartened.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:02 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

I wondered when a thread like this would appear. Surprised it's from a Fev fan. My money would've been on a nutter from Keighley or Fax.

In all fairness, if what had happened to Keighley had happened to Bradford, you would still be bitter about it now wouldn't you?

I refer you to the Joynts voluntary tackle thread as comparison.

There was a lot of smug and derogatory attitudes from Bulls fans towards Fax and Keighley in the glory years...not all I grant you.

If this episode should teach us anything, it's the value of humility.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:04 pm  

LifeLongHKRFan wrote:

What i'm basically saying to the Fev, Keighley and fax fans is that you may feel that the RFL have a vendetta against your club because you are not in SL, but if you have the right people at the helm and are showing good potential and have something to contribute, then you will get your shot. At the moment all those clubs have done is become financially proficient and successful on the field in the Championship. There is still a lot more to be achieved to make it as an SL club so don't be bitter, just work harder!

Give it a rest...that's the forum equivalent of a pat on the head.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:05 pm  

tigertot wrote:

As much as I like the clubs Fev & Keighley are not sustainable as SL clubs.

Neither is Bradford it would seem?

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:08 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Might be in NL1 or 2. Maybe a tasty derby at Lawkholme Lane!

You'll be in Super League, i have no doubt.

You're one of the chosen ones.

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:12 pm  

Well Gingdong and Roth Fev' Fan - you have done your club proud by coming on here and spouting such rubbish. The picture you paint of the average Fev fan will do your "Destination Superleague" promotion the world of good.

Fev have had 17 years outside SL to get back in and you are still a million miles away. Oh dear - as usual very bitter.

[Bullseye]

Re: Chris Caisley sometime in the mid 90s : Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:16 pm  

I just wonder why it's the Bulls that get the ire of Keighley fans. After all it wasn't the Bulls that picked over the remains of the Cougar squad to get Powell, Fleary etc. It also wasn't only the Bulls to vote SL in either, there were 10 others at least and nobody spoke up to say what about Keighley or Widnes or Fev.

As for the comments attributed to Caisley about Keighley, Fev or whoever were they actually reported anywhere? He may well have said it but I don't remember it at the time. As a person Caisley is pretty unlikeable and I can understand what people have against him. He isn't the Bulls or their fans though.

As for SL as a concept, I agree with a lot of Isaac's post but it does ignore the fact that clubs were on the backsides financially in 95 and had little choice but to take the money and do Sky's bidding. I agree the money was wasted but pre SL wasn't some mythical golden age. I remember Fax going through plenty of troubles after their success in the mid 80s, Leeds were on their way to oblivion by the end of SL too. Add to that any number of smaller clubs.

You're right about humility and what goes around does come around. We've been here before in 1963 and will hopefully be back. Whether it's in SL I don't know. I just hope it's somewhere.