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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:44 pm  
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Although I appreciate your concerns - and, to be honest, I can't see myself supporting a 'Manchester' team - I think you're in danger of getting a bit Daily Mail and worrying about things that aren't happening. The club are still called Salford Red Devils. It says so on the website, it says so in the fixture lists and it says so in the e-mail I got from the club the other day. I don't think the 'Salford' name appeared on the shirt last year either, but no-one raised any concerns about it.

However, if you really are concerned, you could e-mail Martin Vickers and ask the question. I e-mailed him about something else yesterday and got a reply within hours.


Your reading comprehension must improve: I haven't said that I, personally, have a problem. My initial post was purely aimed at MR and TB dismissing other people so glibly. The rest is just a reasoned debate that's sprung out of said post. That is what a forum is for, no? Discussion?
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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:52 pm  
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Your reading comprehension must improve: I haven't said that I, personally, have a problem. My initial post was purely aimed at MR and TB dismissing other people so glibly. The rest is just a reasoned debate that's sprung out of said post. That is what a forum is for, no? Discussion?


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Would I baulk at a successful side called the Red Devils? No. Would I baulk at a successful side that actively distanced itself from Salford? Yes.
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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:11 pm  
Any word on 'My Agenda' yet?

I can't seem to find it...
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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:37 pm  
Michigan red wrote:
From the Docs point of view as the sole owner of the club he is trying too find a way too market the club/brand to a wider audience so putting Salford on would possibly alienate some fans. Those of us from Salford know it is Salford and that is who we support.


Regardless of the issue of the wording on the playing jersey (none of Brisbane Broncos, South Sydney and North Queensland Cowboys actually have thier name on the badge on the shirt - but they are all much more recognised brands in their markets), in my opinion, "Salford" being absent from branding on general merch weakens the brand.

Many fans use merch to show their support and in turn help raise the profile of the club. Who do you think the average person on the streets of Greater Manchester would think somebody supported if they saw them wearing this?

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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:45 pm  
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Well said are kid, was going two post the same but it was two much trouble and the too people who'd read it are both two busy.

You really can't be serious "two Post", "two much trouble" , "too People" and "two busy".........If I hadn't shaken his hand I'd swear mich was about six years old.
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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:23 pm  
From a purely subjective perspective, I'm not keen on the kit. Aesthetically, it's not the kind of 'classy/classic' design that's likely to appeal to those outside the hardcore and, personally, I don't think it's distinctive enough from last year's shirt to tempt me into buying. FWIW, I think the away shirt is even worse, but that's an entirely personal view. Hopefully they both sell by the bucketload.

Gaining a major player like Under Armour is a huge plus though.

I do have a few issues, however......

1) whilst we're all surely "grateful to still have a club" (as we're constantly reminded) that sentiment shouldn't constantly be used as a means of hushing any dissension. Marwan has indeed saved our club and I, for one, am grateful for that, but that doesn't mean I have to slavishly endorse every single decision made by the club.

2) Personally, I'm ambivalent on a lot of the branding issues, but we dismiss the concerns of those with a stronger attachment to the Salford name at our peril. For many fans, including my dad, Salford RLFC is the only means they have of expressing civic pride; the fact that the team happens to play rugby league is of secondary importance. If the club ceases to represent the city of their birth or - worse still - moves out of the city, they're likely to cut their ties.

The question is: who would replace these disenfranchised supporters?

3) I fully endorse any meaningful attempt to draw in new supporters from across the 'greater Manchester' conurbation. However, we have our work cut out building the profile of the club in Salford first.

For all the money spent and noise generated last year, the 'Red Devilution' was largely a case of preaching to the converted. Rugby League's profile in Salford is as low as it's ever been, the Red Devils 'brand' is largely invisible when you drive around the city and, despite the absence of counter-attractions, there's little attachment to the club in the local communities.

The truth is, we're doing little more to promote the club/the sport now than we were under Wilky/Tarry. Fixing this has to be a priority.


These are my opinions, if this makes me 'negative' so be it.
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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:02 pm  
My pennyworth: I support Salford for several reasons but all have, at their base, that I was born, grew up, educated, and lived for some of my adult life in Salford.
I worked in Oldham and had many links to the club but made it obvious I was first and foremost a Salford fan.
I now work in Stockport but never followed Sale.
I live in Rochdale and have a soft spot for Hornets but again (see Oldham).

I am about to put on a scarf to go home and it says "Salford Red Devils". No one in the building does not know the name of my team. It is not Manchester.

Like many on here, I fear the bean counters deciding to strengthen the Manchester link and replace Salford with Manchester in a hope to sound more attractive. It has been mooted too much; it is not a new idea.
Simply put, it would end my support. I cannot accept such a name change is the same club. It's not a merger, it's a change to link to another city.

I do not see the good doctor moving that way at the moment. I worry his advisors might.
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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:52 pm  
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My pennyworth: I support Salford for several reasons but all have, at their base, that I was born, grew up, educated, and lived for some of my adult life in Salford.
I worked in Oldham and had many links to the club but made it obvious I was first and foremost a Salford fan.
I now work in Stockport but never followed Sale.
I live in Rochdale and have a soft spot for Hornets but again (see Oldham).

I am about to put on a scarf to go home and it says "Salford Red Devils". No one in the building does not know the name of my team. It is not Manchester.

Like many on here, I fear the bean counters deciding to strengthen the Manchester link and replace Salford with Manchester in a hope to sound more attractive. It has been mooted too much; it is not a new idea.
Simply put, it would end my support. I cannot accept such a name change is the same club. It's not a merger, it's a change to link to another city.

I do not see the good doctor moving that way at the moment. I worry his advisors might.


Regardless of whether we agree with them, we simply can't afford to disenfranchise fans like this (and there are plenty of them), particularly when there is no cohesive growth strategy for Manchester anyway.
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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:52 pm  
For those not twitter (don't know how to do proper link to tweets) Martin vickers has tweeted:

@mart_vickers: For those who don't know .....Just teamed up with North Americas second biggest sports retail companies, an exclusive deal in the sport. One of the attractions to our club was the similarities between UA's origins in Baltimore and Salford. And the profile the Club had since Marwan's takeover. As part of the deal UA will actively work with our schools, college and junior clubs in our proud City Salford

The work with schools, colleges and clubs sounds very positive
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Re: New kit : Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:12 pm  
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The work with schools, colleges and clubs sounds very positive



It certainly sounds positive. I look forward to hearing the details of what it involves.

MV has actually just tweeted that Under Armour is opening a NW office and will be partnering the Colin's community work.
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