Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:36 pm  

middleman wrote:

he actually won us more games when on the field , apart from maybe the Leeds game not sure we would have won any more of the last 8 after his ban.

16 games 6 tries , 51 tackle busts , 44 offloads ,
only 1 yellow card & 8 penalties.
up until his mystifying ' bump ' into the official he was almost the model professional.

I can see two thirds of opposition fans Cognitive dissonance bulging at the seems after reading that.

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:29 pm  

Bloody hell Butcher, I'm not sure you're allowed to say cognitive dissonance on here!
If we make the top 6 next year will that be a paradigm shift?

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Sat Oct 18, 2014 5:47 am  

BartonFlyer wrote:

Bloody hell Butcher, I'm not sure you're allowed to say cognitive dissonance on here!
If we make the top 6 next year will that be a paradigm shift?

- Thinking about it would 'Eccles Star' (whatever happened to him by the way?) think that the normal 'paradigm shift' would be 2 while 10.

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:28 am  

Early Bath wrote:

:D - Thinking about it would 'Eccles Star' (whatever happened to him by the way?) think that the normal 'paradigm shift' would be 2 while 10.

I think 'Eccles Star' is away on the course 'Successful rectum wiping in ten weeks' so the finer nuances of scientific thought may yet elude him.

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:15 am  

Back on topic when his head is right Hock is one of the most destructive attacking runners in the competition.

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:03 pm  

Whilst admitting he is probably the best second rower in Super League on his day, it's his on and off field actions that let him down time and again. His agent has obviously touted him around to other clubs without success so he had no option to withdraw his transfer request if he wished to remain in RL in this country.

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:50 pm  

Not sure on this myself, on one hand one of the best and most exciting second row players in Europe, but then you get the baggage which we saw towards the end of last season.

Someone showed me Hock's post on Twitter in support of Flower and he further blotted his copy book with this.

I'd be very surprised if yet again next season he doesn't implode after a brilliant start.

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:30 pm  

Structured wrote:

Whilst admitting he is probably the best second rower in Super League on his day, it's his on and off field actions that let him down time and again. His agent has obviously touted him around to other clubs without success so he had no option to withdraw his transfer request if he wished to remain in RL in this country.

There's a couple of things wrong with this post.

The first is that his on and off-field actions let him down. His stats for this season do not stand up to that argument. There's plenty of players well ahead of him on the 'on-field antics' label. As for off-field antics, apart from a couple of opinions voiced over twitter I fail to see this argument standing-up either. If you talk about the past, then yes. Now or relevant? There's nothing.

The second thing wrong is that you state 'His agent has obviously touted him around to other clubs without success so he had no option to withdraw his transfer request if he wished to remain in RL in this country.'

Everything after the word 'Obviously' is nothing but raw opinion without base in factual information. Which is fine but it doesn't make it true, so your point becomes nothing. Except to belittle his choice to stay and have a backward jab at Salford.

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:27 pm  

TheButcher wrote:

Structured wrote:

Whilst admitting he is probably the best second rower in Super League on his day, it's his on and off field actions that let him down time and again. His agent has obviously touted him around to other clubs without success so he had no option to withdraw his transfer request if he wished to remain in RL in this country.

There's a couple of things wrong with this post.

The first is that his on and off-field actions let him down. His stats for this season do not stand up to that argument. There's plenty of players well ahead of him on the 'on-field antics' label. As for off-field antics, apart from a couple of opinions voiced over twitter I fail to see this argument standing-up either. If you talk about the past, then yes. Now or relevant? There's nothing.

The second thing wrong is that you state 'His agent has obviously touted him around to other clubs without success so he had no option to withdraw his transfer request if he wished to remain in RL in this country.'

Everything after the word 'Obviously' is nothing but raw opinion without base in factual information. Which is fine but it doesn't make it true, so your point becomes nothing. Except to belittle his choice to stay and have a backward jab at Salford.

I don't think it's wrong to argue that Gareth comes with 'on and off field actions' (and, presumably, the poster intended this in the pejorative sense), because we've seen him collide with the ref on field, and walk out on the club (and then change his mind) off field.

The question is whether the good outweighs the bad. Given that most Salford fans seem to be pleased he's staying, then that suggests, for us at least, it does. Fans of other clubs don't see him as often as we do, probably no more than a couple of times a year and when he crops up in the media having done a bit of the bad. It doesn't really leave them in a position to make that judgement, but, in true RL fashion, they don't let that stop them. Hence you'll see the predictable "your (sic) welcome to him" guff on here, and the "he's a past it penalty machine" from the ill-informed elsewhere.

Re: Gareth Hock, Good decision or not ? : Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:30 pm  

Red John wrote:

I don't think it's wrong to argue that Gareth comes with 'on and off field actions' (and, presumably, the poster intended this in the pejorative sense), because we've seen him collide with the ref on field, and walk out on the club (and then change his mind) off field.

The question is whether the good outweighs the bad. Given that most Salford fans seem to be pleased he's staying, then that suggests, for us at least, it does. Fans of other clubs don't see him as often as we do, probably no more than a couple of times a year and when he crops up in the media having done a bit of the bad. It doesn't really leave them in a position to make that judgement, but, in true RL fashion, they don't let that stop them. Hence you'll see the predictable "your (sic) welcome to him" guff on here, and the "he's a past it penalty machine" from the ill-informed elsewhere.

Yeah, I can't disagree with that.