Re: The future is bright : Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:12 pm  

rubber duckie wrote: Why is it that the same posters always question? Its not rocket science to do a little research yourselves... Here's just 2 of the last Bastion released. Lewis Charnock half back to st helens. Callum Wright hooker Wigan. Easy bit of research using the search function: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=420911&hilit=Charnock&tsmp=1391537226 So the "last Bastion(sic) released" were two 15 years from 2009 that between them have made 1 first team appearance. Guess that's your case proved conclusively then. Why is it always the same posters who write rubbish?

rubber duckie wrote: Why is it that the same posters always question? Its not rocket science to do a little research yourselves... Here's just 2 of the last Bastion released. Lewis Charnock half back to st helens. Callum Wright hooker Wigan. Easy bit of research using the search function: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=420911&hilit=Charnock&tsmp=1391537226 So the "last Bastion(sic) released" were two 15 years from 2009 that between them have made 1 first team appearance. Guess that's your case proved conclusively then. Why is it always the same posters who write rubbish?

Re: The future is bright : Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:01 pm  

Paul Youane wrote: Easy bit of research using the search function: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=420911&hilit=Charnock&tsmp=1391537226 So the "last Bastion(sic) released" were two 15 years from 2009 that between them have made 1 first team appearance. Guess that's your case proved conclusively then. Why is it always the same posters who write rubbish? Why is it always the same posters who are so incredibly frustrated and angry with the world?

Paul Youane wrote: Easy bit of research using the search function: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=420911&hilit=Charnock&tsmp=1391537226 So the "last Bastion(sic) released" were two 15 years from 2009 that between them have made 1 first team appearance. Guess that's your case proved conclusively then. Why is it always the same posters who write rubbish? Why is it always the same posters who are so incredibly frustrated and angry with the world?

Re: The future is bright : Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:07 pm  

Its about what the kids become not how many first team games they play at 16/17 years old.

Bastion told Kallam to play on the wing or there's the door. Not good management skills if you ask me.

Re: The future is bright : Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:13 pm  

I'm 90% sure that Watkins was never actually on our books.

Re: The future is bright : Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:42 pm  

garyhulsefan wrote:

I'm 90% sure that Watkins was never actually on our books.

You are correct.

I am 100% certain, that it was Kash Watkins, (who is Kallum`s older brother), was on Warrington`s books, as an Academy player.

Sadly, he was nowhere near as good as Kallum, who I saw playing for Leeds Academy, & was never on Warrington`s books.

Kash was a very average player, who never made the grade, & eventually left the club....I assume HE was released

Re: The future is bright : Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:15 pm  

Ganson's Optician wrote:

The way I look at it, is when we have put out a much weakened side, we have been shown up by clubs such as Widnes, London and Salford. Last year Wigan and Leeds bought very young, inexperienced sides to the HJ and only narrowly lost. Saints played much of the year with only rookies available.

Long way to go yet.

This is what worries me about this season.

It's easy to just list young players on the club's books and then say the future's bright but all clubs have young players so it's meaningless unless they have proved themselves. When you have a young side that has shown it can hold its own in SL then you have cause for hope for the future.

Unfortunately with us, we've had lots of talk about how bright our young talent is but like you say above, when we have had a few senior players out and put youngsters in we have lost to lower ranked teams and then people on here said things like well Tony Smith should tell us if he's going to put out a side like that for a league fixture because if he can't be bothered why should we be bothered turning up to watch?

We have lost a lot of experience and talent in the off season and it's easy to just say "well the future is bright because their places will be taken by Academy lads" but the teams people are suggesting for us in 2014 are the type of team that if you saw it go out in 2012 or 2013 against Hull KR/Castleford/Widnes etc you would think we might find it tough here with some of the big guns missing.

This year those big guns aren't coming back, they haven't been replaced, so there are a lot of question marks and I fear that we are going to have a difficult ride in the opening part of the season.

If Saints bring us down to earth in the first game watch how the tone on here changes.

Re: The future is bright : Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:25 pm  

It will take time for the younger players to consistently perform to a standard capable of challenging, but I do believe that they have been given the best of opportunities to succeed. The amount of first team games they have played, be it with us or elsewhere, is far greater than we have had the luxury of before. GOB has played SL for Cas, Widnes and Saints as well as the game time that we could muster up for him. Laithwaite, B Evans and Shaw have all had loan spells at SL clubs. Even beyond that, a lot of our kids played for Swinton last year, Ormsby, Riley, Burke, Bridge et al, which, while being a lower standard, is better than playing u21's/19's.

The platform has been laid by the club, it's now up to the kids to play up to their potential, and to a point, the fans not to get on their backs if it doesn't go to plan as quickly as we'd like. I have faith in 'the system' and I have no reason to doubt Tony Smith whatsoever, so I'm right behind his decision on this one.

Re: The future is bright : Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:38 pm  

I was talking about kallum Wright who has broke into the 1st team ranks for this season.
Expect to see him feature at hooker in games this year for the pies.

Although all his youth he played hooker, Bastion gave him an ultimatum. The remarks of Bastion being shocked, are nothing more than a smoke screen.

Re: The future is bright : Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:00 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

I was talking about kallum Wright who has broke into the 1st team ranks for this season.
Expect to see him feature at hooker in games this year for the pies.


Don't know why you are obsessing about Bastian he is no longer with the club.

I have to say the Academy does seem refreshed this year after questions were asked about the number of first team ready players that were being produced. We shall see.

Although all his youth he played hooker, Bastion gave him an ultimatum. The remarks of Bastion being shocked, are nothing more than a smoke screen.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: The future is bright : Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:58 am  

Barbed Wire wrote:

It will take time for the younger players to consistently perform to a standard capable of challenging, but I do believe that they have been given the best of opportunities to succeed. The amount of first team games they have played, be it with us or elsewhere, is far greater than we have had the luxury of before. GOB has played SL for Cas, Widnes and Saints as well as the game time that we could muster up for him. Laithwaite, B Evans and Shaw have all had loan spells at SL clubs. Even beyond that, a lot of our kids played for Swinton last year, Ormsby, Riley, Burke, Bridge et al, which, while being a lower standard, is better than playing u21's/19's.

The platform has been laid by the club, it's now up to the kids to play up to their potential, and to a point, the fans not to get on their backs if it doesn't go to plan as quickly as we'd like. I have faith in 'the system' and I have no reason to doubt Tony Smith whatsoever, so I'm right behind his decision on this one.

Optimistically this, rather than Sally's it's not worked before mantra, although time will tell.

Given a fair run with injuries, it would be great to see young guys bloodied where they aren't expected to step up in half a team of youngsters in a game, for example, to protect the older heads for a following fixture as it's only against a percieved lower standing club not a CC semi-final.

Although the lines are blurred these days as to who is a youngster, hence my optimism, playing with 15 of our first choice 17 might be a fairer assessment of how bright the future really is?