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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:33 pm  
It's getting harder and harder to tell the trolls and the deluded apart on this forum these days.
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McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:36 pm  
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It's got nothing to do with Zak Hardaker or homophobia or subsequent bans.

It's just the latest outbreak of anti-Leeds hysteria which is akin to catnip for me.

Logic and precedent therefore doesn't come into it.



Indeed.
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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:40 pm  
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And the operative word there is "seconds". How long was there between the two punches? Long enough for Flower to assess Hohaia's physical state and make a conscious decision to throw the second punch? Of course not. The second punch was thrown on instinct.

In some ways, bad as this was, is it really that much worse than Terry Newton's conscious, pre-meditated attacks on Sean Long and Lee Gilmour for example?


So why did Flower stop punching Hohaia's face then if he was in a blind fit of rage... why just the one punch when he was in such an advantageous position and not in full control of his faculties? Why just one punch and not a frenzied attack if his decision making wasn't conscious as you suggest?

I tell you why, it's because you're talking b*ll*x.
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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:47 pm  
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I've reported this post. Through sheer outrage.

Steady on Bang,I have it on good authority that El D is akin to a whirling dervish when he starts be outraged at your peril!
He can out Flower,Flower.
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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:59 pm  
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Steady on Bang,I have it on good authority that El D is akin to a whirling dervish when he starts be outraged at your peril!
He can out Flower,Flower.


I'm the Ben Flower of angry letters to my local paper. Grrrrrrrrrr.
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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:01 pm  
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It's getting harder and harder to tell the trolls and the deluded apart on this forum these days.


Given your habit of trolling the boards/fans of some other clubs, I'd be cautious about casting aspersions on trolls if I were you...
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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:05 pm  
I agree the matter should be closed and moved on from. However the problem is that it was the last game of the season, until the 4 Nations starts what have fans and journalists got to talk and write about?

Had it happened early in the playoffs then with the semis and GF to play they'd have been something for people to move onto topic-wise.
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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:59 pm  
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worse than jim mills stamp ?


No way. I've seen the video of that and it's utterly sickening. I also think Newton on Long was worse as he actually intended to seriously injure him.
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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:09 pm  
Moriarty on Waddell is just about the worst I've seen. Hughie being held by two tacklers, and The Evil Moriarty* comes flying in elbow first at Waddell's head.

Look up 'Leeds 26 vs Widnes 12 (1989) 1/2' on youtube and got to about 2 mins 20 secs. The shot from the scoreboard end really captures it.

*(c) Stuart Duffy (pre turning to the dark side)
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Re: Ben Flower... : Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:27 pm  
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That's exactly what WILL happen. The reputation of the game hasn't changed one iota. Most of those calling for a public hanging never watch a game from one year to the next. Furthermore those who do, understand that watching grown men biff each other about is a big part of what makes the game enjoyable.

Many fans wax lyrical about the likes of Barrie Mac, Kelvin Skerritt and Big Jim Mills in a 'good old days' way, but get all sanctimonious when something similar happens nowadays.

As for the 'family' thing. If you can really come up with a living breathing 'family' who were put off the game by what Ben Flower did, I'll change my mind. I suspect you won't be able to though.

Storm in a teacup. Old news already.


Bull$hit if the highest order. Two big lads having a set to was a part of the game I miss also, but I have no nostalgia whatsoever for thugs who took out playmakers. A prop knocking out and then smacking again a defenceless half on the ground is not "biff", it's the thuggery that blighted the sport for decades. Les Boyd got two bans of 12 months for acts of thuggery in the days when big lads could sort things out amongst themselves. You obviously can't tell the difference.

Having said that, the ban is fair and Flower should be treated like any other player once he's playing again. He's a good player and if he can control himself and put this behind him he has a great future on the game.
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