Re: Welcome Ellis : Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:43 pm  

GiantMatt88 wrote:

I haven't been as uninterested in a signing since we signed Ryan Clayton.. This is the type of signing I would have imagined us to make 6 years ago maybe. I'm not going to slate the guy too much before he's even put on a jersey but do you think any of the other teams in top 6 (barring us and Castleford) would have him in their team? Step backwards in my opinion and lack of ambition. If we've signed him because there's no one better then I would rather had a season of Connor playing alongside Brough. I hope I'm proved wrong.

I can totally appreciate what your saying and agree in part. Although you have to look at the chance you take on youth or quality import or work in progress signings.
So for us I think Connor is certain giant star in the making, either at FB or as a play maker he should make the grade, however nothing is set in stone. Long term I would say he is the plan for us. However a few good perfomances in the first squad doesn't mean he will kick on for certain.
You can buy quality players if you have the cash. Do they always work out? Jamie Simpson was scoring trys for fun in the NRL over here....poor doesn't cover it. Briscoe at Hull FC was a standout at a good player but not as noticeable. Saying that look at Bowden at Wigan, quality.
You can buy average players from sides and class them as a work in progress player or offer them a new start. Once apon a time we had robbo and brown in the halves and we was winning games and looking a decent side. NB signed Danny Brough, I questioned why we needed another halve who I never really noticed from a side that wasn't exactly setting the league on fire......well we all know how much humble pie I had to eat.

All I am saying is that nothing is certain with any method of recruitment but to say its a step backwards is a tad unfair as it worked with signing brough so who knows. In Anderson we trust.

Re: Welcome Ellis : Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:53 pm  

Any one know how Kruise leeming is progressing.?

What's his season been like post injury?

Liked what I saw with him - and talked to him a few times when he has been doing the pr stuff, and seems like a decent lad too.

Re: Welcome Ellis : Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:57 pm  

GiantMatt88 wrote:

I haven't been as uninterested in a signing since we signed Ryan Clayton.. This is the type of signing I would have imagined us to make 6 years ago maybe. I'm not going to slate the guy too much before he's even put on a jersey but do you think any of the other teams in top 6 (barring us and Castleford) would have him in their team? Step backwards in my opinion and lack of ambition. If we've signed him because there's no one better then I would rather had a season of Connor playing alongside Brough. I hope I'm proved wrong.

alot of us said the same when we signed brett ferres.

Re: Welcome Ellis : Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:16 pm  

DAZ NEXT YEAR ALL SUPER LEAGUE TEAMS WILL BE GETTING AN EXTRA £ 625000 FROM SKY if we cant spend the full cap we shouldn't be in supper league

Re: Welcome Ellis : Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:37 pm  

adamhuddsgiant wrote:

GiantMatt88 wrote:

I haven't been as uninterested in a signing since we signed Ryan Clayton.. This is the type of signing I would have imagined us to make 6 years ago maybe. I'm not going to slate the guy too much before he's even put on a jersey but do you think any of the other teams in top 6 (barring us and Castleford) would have him in their team? Step backwards in my opinion and lack of ambition. If we've signed him because there's no one better then I would rather had a season of Connor playing alongside Brough. I hope I'm proved wrong.

I can totally appreciate what your saying and agree in part. Although you have to look at the chance you take on youth or quality import or work in progress signings.
So for us I think Connor is certain giant star in the making, either at FB or as a play maker he should make the grade, however nothing is set in stone. Long term I would say he is the plan for us. However a few good perfomances in the first squad doesn't mean he will kick on for certain.
You can buy quality players if you have the cash. Do they always work out? Jamie Simpson was scoring trys for fun in the NRL over here....poor doesn't cover it. Briscoe at Hull FC was a standout at a good player but not as noticeable. Saying that look at Bowden at Wigan, quality.
You can buy average players from sides and class them as a work in progress player or offer them a new start. Once apon a time we had robbo and brown in the halves and we was winning games and looking a decent side. NB signed Danny Brough, I questioned why we needed another halve who I never really noticed from a side that wasn't exactly setting the league on fire......well we all know how much humble pie I had to eat.

All I am saying is that nothing is certain with any method of recruitment but to say its a step backwards is a tad unfair as it worked with signing brough so who knows. In Anderson we trust.

I get your point but DB certainly wasn't one of those signings. Yes he would have a great game and then a poor game but he had that star quality and he was a match winner, he's just consistent now. Jamie Ellis isn't that or anywhere near that IMO. However I can understand your point maybe Scott Moore was like that on his 1st stint with us. Played pretty poor at castleford the year before, came to us and had a great season.

I wasn't saying I want Connor instead of Ellis but if Ellis is an average player why bother with him? Play Connor and he'll have great games and maybe terrible games but those great games are potentially more than Ellis is ever going to give you and on the bad games DB will have to carry us through, like he doesn't anyway

Personally I think we lack leadership and world class talent to compete with other teams when push comes to shove. I might get shot down here but I would have been looking for an ageing, probably Australian/New Zealander, who has been there and done it and has pure talent and can win games even though he may have lost a bit of pace or something. I'm thinking a Brad Drew or a Robbie Paul, I know they're hard to find but they're out there. They would be great at bringing through Connor and Kruise.

Re: Welcome Ellis : Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:14 pm  

I think this signing is a huge kick in thewhatsists for woody- who was a stand our before his injury.
Other than that. Meh.

Re: Welcome Ellis : Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:20 pm  

Until the full player ins and outs are known it is difficult to comment.

Re: Welcome Ellis : Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:39 pm  

aspinall and miller released, as expected, not shown enough when i have seen them play in SL or under 19's.

others to get a chance now for a sl contract, they have already handed some out mind.