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Re: Shock on the cards? : Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:00 pm  
Time to take VR to the next stage.after a tackle has been made, all the action has to analysed to the nth degree to ensure no foul play, no fingertip control, no forward pass, no off side etc has taken place.
Then all the action can be reviewed on the large screen and a referendum taken of all those watching at home using the red button can be taken. Those at the ground can use their smart phones.
It seems the next logical step, because the technology exists so we must use it.
The genie is out of the bottle.
The game has lost so much in the name of progress.
Sadly the biggest thing the game had going for it, common sense, is slowly but surely dwindling away.
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Re: Shock on the cards? : Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:04 pm  
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If. He'd been going to tackle him, it wouldn't have been a problem, but he wasn't, he was putting a shot on, with the shoulder, he'd already decided what he was going to no, and that was smash him, not tackle him.

I said it was reckless last night on here, it wasn't but it was careless.


Having watched it agin on the highlights this afternoon, it's an awful tackle. Should get a lengthy ban. Totally unacceptable that none of the match officials did anything at the time.

Having said there was nothing wrong with it, they even got it wrong by not awarding Widnes a try
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Re: Shock on the cards? : Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:14 pm  
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Whether you agree or not, he did. Thaler asks the VR "are we going with the knock-on or are we going with the contact", he later points to his earpiece and says "I've got it from here, knock on", and then several times, "they've viewed/reviewed it, no foul".

That's when the verdict changed from 'no contact with the head' (clearly a mistake and he only says it once), to 'no foul play' (which he repeats any number of times). And that's the crux of the matter. There was no foul play, no intent, no 'attack to the head' (as I've seen people claim). It was a clumsy, ill-timed collision caused by the speed of Leuluai's chase and the fact Russell knocked on and lunged forward and downward for the ball.

If Russell had gathered the ball it would have just been a well-timed, good hard tackle, but his forward lunge reduced the distance between the players unexpectedly. You can see Leuluai react to this by turning his head immediately prior to collision. It came too early, too hard, all timing out the window.

Not all incidents like this are foul play, regardless of severity of injury. We don't penalise when heads accidentally collide with hips, knees, elbows or indeed other heads and for me this is no different. 'Blame' is not the word to use but the position Russell put himself in is what resulted in the collision.

Again though, I expect the RFL will feel they need to send a message and will take some form of action.


I didn't hear Thaler ask anyone to do anything on the VR side. If they had looked at it, they would have awarded Widnes a try. Russell knocked on, no one else did, and it was grounded in goal by a Widnes player.

As far saying that Russell losing the ball led to him being cleaned out, that's rubbish. When he first knocked on Leuluai had plenty of time to pull out. He didn't He continued & cleaned Russell out without him having the ball.

Compare it to the Hanbury knock on from athe high kick. Myler was bearing down on him to put a hot on, but he pulled out of it.

Watching the ML tackle at full speed it's an awful tackle & should get a long ban.
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Re: Shock on the cards? : Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:32 pm  
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I didn't hear Thaler ask anyone to do anything on the VR side. If they had looked at it, they would have awarded Widnes a try. Russell knocked on, no one else did, and it was grounded in goal by a Widnes player.

As far saying that Russell losing the ball led to him being cleaned out, that's rubbish. When he first knocked on Leuluai had plenty of time to pull out. He didn't He continued & cleaned Russell out without him having the ball.

Compare it to the Hanbury knock on from athe high kick. Myler was bearing down on him to put a hot on, but he pulled out of it.

Watching the ML tackle at full speed it's an awful tackle & should get a long ban.


Watch it again; if after watching it again you still don't hear Thaler talking to the VR then you need to see either your local TV shop to replace a set that isn't working or your GP to get your ears tested.
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Re: Shock on the cards? : Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:39 pm  
At the game, Monas was talking to him, from my view from the stand Thaler points to his ear and does the double hand signal for knock on, it was obvious he'd spoke to the vid ref in the crowd.
No one could believe we didn't get anything though, it was shocking and I was on the 10 line and the noise itself was something, then seeing him motionless was a little worrying to say the least.
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Re: Shock on the cards? : Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:44 pm  
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I didn't hear Thaler ask anyone to do anything on the VR side. If they had looked at it, they would have awarded Widnes a try. Russell knocked on, no one else did, and it was grounded in goal by a Widnes player.

This may help.
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I didn't hear Thaler ask anyone to do anything on the VR side. If they had looked at it, they would have awarded Widnes a try. Russell knocked on, no one else did, and it was grounded in goal by a Widnes player.

This may help.
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Re: Shock on the cards? : Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:00 pm  
If the rule is that any contact from the shoulder to the head is a red card, then that should have been a red card.

The 'nasty collision, injuries happen etc..' view I don't agree with. The Walmsley incident using that argument was a nothing tackle then as Walmsley was coming in with a bent back intending to make a legitimate tackle.
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Re: Shock on the cards? : Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:48 pm  
no charges from any weekend games so it was legit
good job he wasnt hanged from the hj crossbar at full time
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