Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:12 pm  

[quote="Saddened!"]No, if it's deliberately played at, which charging down a kick is, it's play on. It happened in your game yesterday before Wigan's 1st try when Sarginson ran 40 metres after being played onside by you charging the kick down.[/


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Now then.. clarification needed. The players were more than ten metres in front of the kicker so not sure they can be played onside.

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:23 pm  

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If I am not mistaken, the player rushing in to make the charge down missed it and it actually hit a Huddersfiled player further back who hadn't played at the ball (think it came off his back). It then went to LMS who was in an offside position. The ref's decision was therefore correct. Unusually for Silverspud.

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:25 pm  

mark_m wrote:

Now then.. clarification needed. The players were more than ten metres in front of the kicker so not sure they can be played onside.

I don't have a rule book to quote from but I'm pretty sure any player is played onside by a deliberate touch from an opposition player and that charging a kick down is always classed as a deliberate touch. I've only watched it live however and not on Sky so if I'm wrong on that fair enough, I'm not particularly bothered about the game tonight, we've not deseverd anything from this season.

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:56 am  

Saddened! wrote:

I don't have a rule book to quote from but I'm pretty sure any player is played onside by a deliberate touch from an opposition player and that charging a kick down is always classed as a deliberate touch. I've only watched it live however and not on Sky so if I'm wrong on that fair enough, I'm not particularly bothered about the game tonight, we've not deseverd anything from this season.

there were saints players in front of the play the ball, they cannot be played onside,

The officials are awful. Both Thursdays and Fridays game showed. He went to the video ref for things that they culdnt see until they looked at the ref cam and he was a metre away looking right at it, why didnt he just call it!!!

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:19 pm  

morrisseyisawire wrote:

He delivered what I feared, predicted and expected - a criminally slow play the ball, no policing the markers and disregard to forward passes. Letting the game flow is fine, but when it means teams can slow the game up, encroach in the 10 and generally spoil then it detracts from the game somewhat. I'd much rather a ref penalise early, warn the captains and then expect the teams to learn.

Still, it was what I expected. What I didn't expect was that McColorum would indulge in a spate of foul play that exceeded even his low standards, would put Hock to shame and culminated in a cowardly and violent attack on an unsighted Laithwaite. Bentham bottled that one.

100% spot on..was mccloride put on report if so it`ll be interesting to see what punishment is served up..moon got a 2 match ban for his ill discipline mccloride should get the same,after all fairs fair,,

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:57 pm  

The RFL need a wake up call re the interpretation & policing of the laws of the game ,particularly when season or even career ending injuries are inflicted all in the name of winning at all costs. The clubs these days are running with threadbare squads due to lack of available talent ,partly through lack of interest in the game from up & coming youngsters ,& in this matter the disbanding of the academy system hasn't helped & also a shortage of bums on seats at games is reducing money for players to be brought in....even Australia is short of good players coming through hence an increase in English players turning out for NRL clubs.

If the RFL don't stamp out these sly & nasty tactics these threadbare squads will mean some clubs will struggle to fulfil their fixtures to a superleague standard.The RFL ,through their referees, need to act before it is too late for the game we love.

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:17 am  

Saddened! wrote:

There is a lot wrong with refereeing in SL. But you always seem to notice it more when you lose.

The ref in the Saints v Wire game was just as bad last week, some of the decisions he made were absolutely comical and he had no control over the game at all and ended up being overruled several times by the touch judges and TV refs.

The one thing that is doing my head in the most at the moment is moving off the mark at the play the ball. There was a passage of play tonight where Chris Hill won the collision but was tackled and got up next to the tackler, moved past him and took another couple of steps and played the ball falling into the marker, playing the ball 2 or 3 metres from where he should have. It happens all the time these days, the tackled player moving to the side of past the tacklers to play the ball.

Annoying isn't it. It was just as annoying though when Joynt and Sculthorpe did it at nearly every play the ball they took.

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:38 am  

Apart from the poor standard of referees who do not seem to have a grasp of the rules of the game, I don't think matters are helped by this obsession of 'letting the game flow' which means infringements are sometimes punished and sometimes not. In these circumstances professional sportsmen and their coaches are invited to take liberties.
Some years ago in a match v Leeds at Wilderspool there was a newish referee called Cummings in charge and a promising young forward called Morley playing for Leeds. Cummings, in the first half, quite rightly IMO, penalised both sides for every infringement and the crowd were whinging about the stop start nature of the game. However, in the second half, both teams got the message, played to the rules and the game flowed much better. Also In the second half Mr Morley walked for persistent head high tackles (Does that ring a bell) and I thought Mr Cummings had done a first class job.
Morley got sending off sufficient which was ridiculous and I can only think Cummings got a talking to about 'letting the game flow' because I have never saw him referee a game like that again.
What is the point of having a rule book if,
1. The referees don't know the rules.
2. Selectively apply them or
3. Ignore them altogether
When a ref's decision can have such a crucial effect on the outcome of a game, it seems farcical to me.

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:20 pm  

Silverwood offside incident. He deemed it not a charge down which if you look at the incident again is feasible, so if he interpreted that way then LMS is indeed offside.

Re: Bentham/Referees/Standards : Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:00 pm  

Those who were at the game (I wasn't, my shoddy excuse being I live a couple of hundred miles and a stretch of water away) may not be aware but at half-time Jon Wells showed that that second try should not have been given by the video referee, he circled Flynn's hand and slowed the frames and it was clearly detached from the ball. I don't moan about decisions here but I am mightily relieved that didn't make the difference in the end, I thought we got the wrong end of some other decisions and it would have compounded the injustice.