Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:54 pm  

Norman Stanley Fletcher wrote:

Is this a good thread???

40 (more or less) on topic posts would say yes

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:29 am  

Harrigan wrote:

Hmm... as he hasnt really "placed" the ball on the floor, merely stopped it with his hands, I would blow for a knock on as he has touched the ball and then let go...

I agree ... as it happened prior to heeling it back, the knock-on occurred before any other act by the dummy-half.

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:37 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

I agree ... as it happened prior to heeling it back, the knock-on occurred before any other act by the dummy-half.

That's what I thought, but now I'm confused.

If a player knocks on, you normally allow play to continue to see if the other team gains any advantage. For example, if a player is stood in front of his team mate and picks up a ball which has been knocked on, he is offside and a penalty is awarded.

If the heeling of the ball by the dummy-half should be penalised (and I am unsure as to whether it should be, it may just count as a kick), then logic dictates that you'd penalise that offence rather than form a scrum.

I'm still confused.

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:51 pm  

First one try.

second one if dh stops ball, moves hand away from ball then heels it..its knock on as its actually touched the floor before his foot..even tho its not technically left the floor its a knock on as noone has control of the ball...but if he puts his hand on to ball to stop it and while his hand is on the ball he heels it backwards id let play on as its not actually left his hand before hes played at it with his foot...award try then get screamed at by oppo for not blowing for knockon...tell them to go away..let them chunter on again and put them in bin.

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:16 pm  

ritz wrote:

First one try.

second one if dh stops ball, moves hand away from ball then heels it..its knock on as its actually touched the floor before his foot..even tho its not technically left the floor its a knock on as noone has control of the ball...but if he puts his hand on to ball to stop it and while his hand is on the ball he heels it backwards id let play on as its not actually left his hand before hes played at it with his foot...award try then get screamed at by oppo for not blowing for knockon...tell them to go away..let them chunter on again and put them in bin.

I'm not disagreeing with your interpretation but if that's correct why do we allow any drop goals?
In most drop goal attempts the ball goes forward from the hand to the floor & is then kicked.
Just an anomaly of both codes of rugby IMV.

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:12 pm  

ritz wrote:

second one if dh stops ball, moves hand away from ball then heels it..its knock on as its actually touched the floor before his foot..even tho its not technically left the floor its a knock on as noone has control of the ball

I've always wondered if you have to break contact with the ball for it to be a knock-on. The laws of the game define a knock on as:

"to knock the ball towards the opponent's dead ball line with hand or arm"

It doesn't say that you have to break contact with the ball, only that it must be 'knocked' forward. I only bring this up because most people would agree that pushing, or rolling the ball forward with the hand all the way to the tryline would be a knock-on. But you wouldn't say the same about sliding over the tryline would you?

A lot of knock-ons are fumbles where there is no break in contact ie. from the PTB or scrum. It seems to me (and I'm as guilty as anyone for doing this), that any fumble is deemed a knock-on.

It's also notable that the laws say only a hand or arm can be used to knock-on. How many times have you seen a player attempt to take the ball at pace near the defensive line and knock the ball forward with his chest? 99% of the time these are given as knock-ons. Should they?

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:42 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

The ball would still be in play. If no-one could dislodge it the players would just have to sit around until the half ended.

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:41 am  

What would happen if in a game:

'a team' were awarded a last second penalty on the touchline side 40 metres from goal which wasn't even a penalty - which gave 'that team' an opportunity to kick for goal and win the game - then when the kick was taken it hit the woodwork BUT was then re-gathered be a chasing player (of limited ability) of 'that team' and scored a match winning try from an offside position with questionable grounding?

Nah forget it, thebloodbath in OTT drivel again. (tut and a slobbish shrug)

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:09 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

What would happen if in a game:

'a team' were awarded a last second penalty on the touchline side 40 metres from goal which wasn't even a penalty - which gave 'that team' an opportunity to kick for goal and win the game - then when the kick was taken it hit the woodwork BUT was then re-gathered be a chasing player (of limited ability) of 'that team' and scored a match winning try from an offside position with questionable grounding?

Nah forget it, thebloodbath in OTT drivel again. (tut and a slobbish shrug)

A big blue 'n amber party! That's what would happen!!

Re: Random 'rules of the game' question : Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:34 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

What would happen if in a game:

'a team' were awarded a last second penalty on the touchline side 40 metres from goal which wasn't even a penalty - which gave 'that team' an opportunity to kick for goal and win the game - then when the kick was taken it hit the woodwork BUT was then re-gathered be a chasing player (of limited ability) of 'that team' and scored a match winning try from an offside position with questionable grounding?

Nah forget it, thebloodbath in OTT drivel again. (tut and a slobbish shrug)