Re: Half back slagging off : Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:29 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

We could all go back months and find people's opinions are proven wrong. Personally, I don't think either are good enough for a half decent SL team but signing a player who has played a decent number of NRL games is less of a risk than signing an unknown like rankin. FWIW, burns was also gash last night but isn't as we know

Yes, we could. I just found it ironic that in preseason you were bemoaning us 'missing out' on him and getting Rankin and using it as a stick to beat the club with (seemingly on the strength of Keating playing in a grand final once), yet now he's so bad you're surprised we didn't sign him.

By the way, plenty said at the time that we were right not to go for him as he was/is a good hooker but no half. The flip side of Keating playing more games in the NRL being less of a risk is that there was more evidence that he was/is not what we need.

Re: Half back slagging off : Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:31 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Yes, we could. I just found it ironic that in preseason you were bemoaning us 'missing out' on him and getting Rankin and using it as a stick to beat the club with (seemingly on the strength of Keating playing in a grand final once), yet now he's so bad you're surprised we didn't sign him.

By the way, plenty said at the time that we were right not to go for him as he was/is a good hooker but no half. The flip side of Keating playing more games in the NRL being less of a risk is that there was more evidence that he was/is not what we need.

I don't think I ever said that we should have signed keating but that on the face of it they had recruited better. I've not seen anything in rankin other than enthusiasm and a bit of pace to suggest he's really any better than keating but I hope he's a lot cheaper. I certainly didn't use it as a "stick to beat the club with" (other than in your mind seemingly). My comment on keating was tongue in cheek and a reference to our continued failure to sign a decent half back (including miller and rankin IMO) but obviously you've mislaid your sense of humour somewhere which is understandable for a Hull fan this year.

Anyway, I look forward to your response

Re: Half back slagging off : Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:46 am  

l really like rankin as i feel he's got the skills to be a very good s.l player.i know i few people not 100% happy with pryce but really hoping rankin can learn alot from him and when he does get his chance grabs it.hoping he might turn out to be a micheal withers (bradford bulls grand final winner) type of player were not many knew alot about him when he first arrived and although he was always solid he just seemed to get better and better to the point of a massive player for them.its olso nice to see a player who enjoys playing and feeds off the fans.only a small thing but when he was waiting for a kick off in first half he gestured to fans to lift it and they responded.little things like that can some-times have a domino effect.i had total apathy for fridays derby (first time ever) but after seeing how pumped up the team was i was up and down like a jack in the box craving a win like it was a 1st v 2nd clash.i remember chico and brian blacker doing simialr things years ago and although niether were world beaters i loved them for that passion and the fact i felt they made you feel we had carried them to the next level to get the win

Re: Half back slagging off : Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:46 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Enjoyed the night and the result but take off the rose tinted glasses.My negativity is not about the club or the Chairman its always been about the coach and how he has taken the club backwards.
If you want to be part of the Cuddle Crew sheep on here that's fine by me but all I posted earlier were positive meaningful comments about the effort,desire and individual performances, and how I thought Heremaia pepped us up when on the field.
I agree I said we were dire in attack again which is true.We scored 5 tries but when you look at the amount of ball HKR coughed up and our 85% completion against their 50% or so we should have scored a lot more.

The problem with the constant and at times inane Radford battering is that when the team performs fairly well as it has in the last three home games it's still Radford coaching them. So we have a situation where when the team loses badly it's all his fault but when they win he gets no credit whatsoever. That isn't balanced and totally devalues any argument you have. I suspect you're a troll though so that needs factoring in as well.

Re: Half back slagging off : Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:01 pm  

Staffs FC wrote:

The problem with the constant and at times inane Radford battering is that when the team performs fairly well as it has in the last three home games it's still Radford coaching them. So we have a situation where when the team loses badly it's all his fault but when they win he gets no credit whatsoever. That isn't balanced and totally devalues any argument you have. I suspect you're a troll though so that needs factoring in as well.

look at the league table then give us all your balanced view on Radfords performance as coach

Re: Half back slagging off : Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:08 pm  

bonaire wrote:

look at the league table then give us all your balanced view on Radfords performance as coach

I've given my balanced view many times. How do you account for Hull's form in their last three home games bearing in mind Radford has been in charge ? How do you explain the fact that we're able to play well with Radford coaching us ? KR Troll.

Re: Half back slagging off : Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:44 pm  

Staffs FC wrote:

I've given my balanced view many times. How do you account for Hull's form in their last three home games bearing in mind Radford has been in charge ? How do you explain the fact that we're able to play well with Radford coaching us ? KR Troll.

Well I have not seen your balanced view so maybe you would like to inform us all again
my concern is not about the last three homes games when there was little to play for but pride,its the previous twenty two.
KR troll definitely not couldn't be further from the truth.in any case if I was surely I would appear on the KR forum? have you seen any post from me on there?

Re: Half back slagging off : Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:06 pm  

My view is that the season has been a nightmare. Early season we lost a number of games by very close margins. We lost our way mid season and the age old problems of not being able to close out games and then latterly not being able to beat teams around us resurfaced. Our ability to lose against teams that rarely finish in the top 8 has been totally evident again - the same way it has been for every coach since Sharp was in charge.

Radford has not successfully improved our attacking structure at all this season. I put that failure in part down to him directly as I believe he should have made certain changes to our style of play to cope with a lower than required consistent ability in the half back positions. We haven't supported the ball carrier enough which also should have been improved - the likes of Watts and Feka have an offload and should have been used more effectively. What Radford has done is recruit two players next year who will, without any doubt. improve us. They will provide a kicking game that has been totally absent and they will direct play on the field.

Defensively we have been reasonable each end of the season with a dip in the middle. Our superior points for/against compared to the actual league position that we're in proves that we have been competitive for the most part notwithstanding the poor results we've been edged out in. The last three home games have been good. Suggesting that it's because there was 'nothing to play for' is typically ridiculous of your posts. Every game counts and had we won even two of the close games we lost we would have at least been in the eight.

Radford has been given the job of restructuring the playing staff at the club going forward. In my opinion despite league position he's not really any worse than Gentle or Agar in terms of what he's achieved so far. Neither of those coaches won anything like Radford hasn't. He's made mistakes but he's also coached some decent performances this year - something which you refuse to give any credit for. It's that refusal which taints your opinion - as Mrs B implied when she 'outed' your posting history.

You must be disappointed with our recent home form being improved. And why would you appear on the KR forum if you were a troll ? Lots have pretended to be Hull fans in the past - your posting history and absence of positivity when Hull win suggests you are another one.

Re: Half back slagging off : Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:22 pm  

Staffs FC wrote:

My view is that the season has been a nightmare. Early season we lost a number of games by very close margins. We lost our way mid season and the age old problems of not being able to close out games and then latterly not being able to beat teams around us resurfaced. Our ability to lose against teams that rarely finish in the top 8 has been totally evident again - the same way it has been for every coach since Sharp was in charge.

Radford has not successfully improved our attacking structure at all this season. I put that failure in part down to him directly as I believe he should have made certain changes to our style of play to cope with a lower than required consistent ability in the half back positions. We haven't supported the ball carrier enough which also should have been improved - the likes of Watts and Feka have an offload and should have been used more effectively. What Radford has done is recruit two players next year who will, without any doubt. improve us. They will provide a kicking game that has been totally absent and they will direct play on the field.

Defensively we have been reasonable each end of the season with a dip in the middle. Our superior points for/against compared to the actual league position that we're in proves that we have been competitive for the most part notwithstanding the poor results we've been edged out in. The last three home games have been good. Suggesting that it's because there was 'nothing to play for' is typically ridiculous of your posts. Every game counts and had we won even two of the close games we lost we would have at least been in the eight.

Radford has been given the job of restructuring the playing staff at the club going forward. In my opinion despite league position he's not really any worse than Gentle or Agar in terms of what he's achieved so far. Neither of those coaches won anything like Radford hasn't. He's made mistakes but he's also coached some decent performances this year - something which you refuse to give any credit for. It's that refusal which taints your opinion - as Mrs B implied when she 'outed' your posting history.

You must be disappointed with our recent home form being improved. And why would you appear on the KR forum if you were a troll ? Lots have pretended to be Hull fans in the past - your posting history and absence of positivity when Hull win suggests you are another one.

Great post.

Re: Half back slagging off : Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:11 pm  

Four times this season we have imploded in the final quarter when we were in a match-winning position. In the very first home game against Cats a last minute missed conversion saved our blushes. Then we were knocked out of the Cup by Salford and threw away two home points against Wakey. Finally a good performance at home to Cas saw us lucky to get a draw when we should have put the game to bed long before. We might have beaten both Salford and Cas had we elected to kick penalties awarded to us. I hope our new halves will help us control these sorts of games better but we cant put it all on the halves. They are going to need support players and dummy runners and in all but a few matches this season this part of our game has been poor. Its no good calling on your halves to take on the line if there is no-one for them to pass to.