Moon cited : Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:25 pm  

How many games will he miss?
Ablett to the centres?

Re: Moon cited : Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:47 pm  

2 games with an EGP. Daft thing about the EGP system is even though Moon's charge is arguably harsh given the stage in the season he has little choice but to take it and be available for the playoffs.

IMHO a player with a good record should get the discount even if they wish to argue against the charge.

Re: Moon cited : Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:04 pm  

By the way the tackle is now on the official SL highlights.... Leeds v St Helens, 29.08.2014: http://youtu.be/nfTCHaa9LMM I still don't think its a shoulder charge... To me Moon's right arm is clearly attempting to grab Perceval so while its poorly timed and dangerous contact to the head, I can't see how it fits the definition a shoulder charge... where a defender, without attempting to tackle, grab or hold the ball-carrier (or any opposing player) using the arms or hands, makes direct physical contact using the shoulder or the upper arm

By the way the tackle is now on the official SL highlights.... Leeds v St Helens, 29.08.2014: http://youtu.be/nfTCHaa9LMM I still don't think its a shoulder charge... To me Moon's right arm is clearly attempting to grab Perceval so while its poorly timed and dangerous contact to the head, I can't see how it fits the definition a shoulder charge... where a defender, without attempting to tackle, grab or hold the ball-carrier (or any opposing player) using the arms or hands, makes direct physical contact using the shoulder or the upper arm

Re: Moon cited : Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:35 pm  

Old Feller wrote:

How many games will he miss?
Ablett to the centres?

....probably...and not a bad option. Pity Ash Handley hasn't been given more game time (the Bradford game springs to mind) to slot him in instead.

Re: Moon cited : Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:42 pm  

Old Feller wrote:

How many games will he miss?
Ablett to the centres?

I'd go with Ablett for the next two games at centre. Granted he should be in the back row come playoff time, but this way he gets a bit of a reduced workload for two games prior to the playoffs and it also opens up the chance for the likes of Achurch and S.Ward to press a claim in the backrow in the final league games before the playoffs start.

Probably be Sutcliffe though if McGuire is fit.

Re: Moon cited : Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:36 am  

Joel has decided not to submit an EGP and will appear before disciplinary today, assume he's going to contest the charge - and rightly so IMO. Video shows his arm was around the player which by definition wouldn't count as a shoulder charge as it was a misjudged tackle.

Re: Moon cited : Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:46 am  

ls28_rhino wrote:

Joel has decided not to submit an EGP and will appear before disciplinary today, assume he's going to contest the charge - and rightly so IMO. Video shows his arm was around the player which by definition wouldn't count as a shoulder charge as it was a misjudged tackle.

Glad at that. I would have done the same. No way there should be a ban for that. So taking an EGP would have still resulted in one. Really poor from the panel deciding on charges.

Re: Moon cited : Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:48 am  

Yeah I agree, I can't find it now but somebody posted a picture of the incident at the moment it happened and it's clear Moon was attempting a tackle not a shoulder charge. Seems to me that a lot of people don't know the true definition of a shoulder charge - let's hope common sense prevails but I still suspect a 2 match ban.

Re: Moon cited : Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:57 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Glad at that. I would have done the same. No way there should be a ban for that. So taking an EGP would have still resulted in one. Really poor from the panel deciding on charges.

I think EGP would have resulted in 2 games, and that is probably why they feel justified in appealing, along with the fact it does not fit the definition of a shoulder charge. I think that he will plead guilty of making a poorly timed tackle resulting in dangerous contact to the head, but argue it was a not a shoulder charge and hence the reason for appearing and appealing. I can't see any real malice in that tackle and I hope that he gets sending off sufficient, but equally I could not argue with a 1 game ban. Anything more, IMO, is very harsh to a player with a good previous record and the fact his team lost the game as a result.

Re: Moon cited : Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:40 pm  

As far as I'm concerned it was an accidental collision and should have been treated as one. It was as much caused by the angled run of the Saints player driving away from his try line than it was by Moon. A lot of people say intent doesn't matter over shoulder charges, but I think that is ridiculous.

Occasionally there will be accidental clashes of head between attackers and ball carriers. We see those as what they are, regretful accidents. We don't punish them as deliberate headbutts when they clearly aren't. They are just a regrettable part of a tough, full collision sport.

If he'd clearly gone in with his shoulder to the players head when he was 3rd man in the tackle I'd have wanted him to get 10 games minimum. Moon simply didn't do that. I think after an accidental collision he should get SOS at worst. I think the just verdict is to strip the red card from him and say the VR over reacted, but I have no faith in that happening.