[DaveO]

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:31 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Charnley, Goulding and Taylor would clearly be selected if all were well so that's my 7.

If they were fit to play they were not missing. They just were not selected and if so that is a rod the club made for its own back by deliberately leaving out three of our best players while sending out players clearly not match fit into the bargain.

Going off point a little though. The major point is we're disrupted at the moment due to injuries and players being sold off again. Wane has an unbelievable amount to contend with yet in the main does an incredible job.

He has certainly had a lot to contend with given the player turnover at Wigan but he certainly didn't do his coaching credentials any good v Cas IMO.

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:18 am  

DaveO wrote:

If they were fit to play they were not missing. They just were not selected and if so that is a rod the club made for its own back by deliberately leaving out three of our best players while sending out players clearly not match fit into the bargain.

He has certainly had a lot to contend with given the player turnover at Wigan but he certainly didn't do his coaching credentials any good v Cas IMO.

He didn't coach Jack Hughes to give stupid penalties at a crucial stage of the game. That's what lost it for us.

When you consider the circumstances around SW's tenure as coach, he has made a very decent fist of it and shouldn't be judged solely on Saturdays game.

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 9:55 am  

Ovavoo wrote:

He didn't coach Jack Hughes to give stupid penalties at a crucial stage of the game. That's what lost it for us..

That's a rather simplistic view of it. What about the 50odd% completion in the first half? Or the amount of time in the second half we spent camped on their line and failed to score more than one try? Seemed like any time they got within 20 metres of our line they got over it. Hughes and Hampshire's penalties were the final straw but there was plenty going wrong before either of them got on the pitch

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:31 am  

Grimmy wrote:

That's a rather simplistic view of it. What about the 50odd% completion in the first half? Or the amount of time in the second half we spent camped on their line and failed to score more than one try? Seemed like any time they got within 20 metres of our line they got over it. Hughes and Hampshire's penalties were the final straw but there was plenty going wrong before either of them got on the pitch

Agree about plenty of other things going wrong but in-spite of them and the calamitous completion rate, we were very much in the game and Cas looked like they were tiring at the point the penalty was conceded.

Think if Wane did anything wrong, it was by leaving Hampshire on the bench for as long as he did. Apart from that, it was imo injuries and errors, not poor coaching that lost it for us.

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:41 am  

Shaun Wane is an outstanding coach.

Bewildered by the criticism of him.

Love him to bits

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:31 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Charnley, Goulding and Taylor not playing - man management? Other teams manage to get players who are leaving to perform, Wane opts to cut his nose off to spite his face.

Charnley has been out for 2 months plus so he's surely 'allowed' to be counted.

As for Wane cutting his nose off with the others that may be the case but it may also be that he doesn't think their form or attitudes were up to scratch. In an ideal world were everything was rosy he'd call on Taylor and Goulding but either he couldn't or wouldn't due to reasons only they know.

We don't know either way for sure but it's just another example of the challenges he's faced and has to keep on facing. To win a LLS, challenge cup and Grand Final in your first two and a half years in charge is a superb record. All that achieved during a time you've lost 10+ first choice players makes it all the more impressive.

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:47 pm  

I don't think Gouldings form warranted selection. Looking at his stats he has only gone over the 100 meter mark once this season and then only just. http://www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/1806 On Saturday Gelling made 151 and Sarginson 128. They also did their fair share of defending.

I don't think Gouldings form warranted selection. Looking at his stats he has only gone over the 100 meter mark once this season and then only just. http://www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/1806 On Saturday Gelling made 151 and Sarginson 128. They also did their fair share of defending.

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:50 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: I don't think Gouldings form warranted selection. Looking at his stats he has only gone over the 100 meter mark once this season and then only just. http://www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/1806 On Saturday Gelling made 151 and Sarginson 128. They also did their fair share of defending. Rather strange justification. I'm sure Gelling will make more metres than Goulding as he's effectively a back row whilst Goulding is a proper centre. Gelling's average gain is better than Kallum Watkins too but I'm not sure Leeds will be offering a swap deal any time soon ps fair play to Gelling, I've given him some stick in the past and although I've not seen a lot of Wigan recently (and missed the game on Saturday) it sounds like he's doing a good job.

Rogues Gallery wrote: I don't think Gouldings form warranted selection. Looking at his stats he has only gone over the 100 meter mark once this season and then only just. http://www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/1806 On Saturday Gelling made 151 and Sarginson 128. They also did their fair share of defending. Rather strange justification. I'm sure Gelling will make more metres than Goulding as he's effectively a back row whilst Goulding is a proper centre. Gelling's average gain is better than Kallum Watkins too but I'm not sure Leeds will be offering a swap deal any time soon ps fair play to Gelling, I've given him some stick in the past and although I've not seen a lot of Wigan recently (and missed the game on Saturday) it sounds like he's doing a good job.

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:10 pm  

I'm pretty sure that SW would have picked the side that gave him the best chance of winning. To suggest otherwise is I think foolish.

Charnley has been out since early April and wasn't ready. Goulding's form doesn't warrant being picked ahead of Gelling or Sarge. Taylor, I'm pretty sure, has been carrying an injury since before Magic. The rumours around his move to Hull are just that at the moment. If he doesn't want to play for Wigan anymore then maybe that's why he's been left out. If that's the case then SW decides if he's in the right frame of mind to risk him. Comparing Taylor to Sam /Lee Mossop/Pat etc is pointless. The situations are completely different.

And if anyone is suggesting that SW can't get the best out of the players at his disposal then they are stark raving mad.

Finally, for the sake of balance. His comments before the game were ill-judged. I don't think they did him any favours. Maybe he'll learn from it. In fact - I'd put money on it.

Re: Shaun Wane - Best coach in our history? : Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:15 pm  

As I said near the start of the thread Wane is not the best coach in our history. What he is, is a bloody good coach who is doing a great job and still learning. One cup QF loss does not change that. Sometimes we just have to acknowledge our opponents played better than we did.