Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:20 am  

Thaler has seen it hit the line and just gone to the video ref to double check, if this hadn't been televised it would have still been given.

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:54 am  

Wire Yed wrote:

Thaler has seen it hit the line and just gone to the video ref to double check, if this hadn't been televised it would have still been given.

If he categorically saw it hit the ground, it was the wrong call to go to the video ref in the first place.

However, since the "ref cam" was used extensively during the VR process, I'd suggest an opiates check for mr. Thaler, if he believes he saw the ball hit the ground.

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:09 am  

The camera points in the direction of his eyes doesn't mean it sees what he sees.

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:19 am  

nothing on the head cam showed the ball touch the line, right up until his momentum had stopped.the side angle showed nothing else either to prompt the award of BOD.

Everyone watching on TV, all the commentators, and probably everyone in the ground bar the VR would have given no try.It was an awful call.

That said, like you say if Thaler himself thought it was a try in real time, had the game not been on TV it would have been given and little said on the matter.The fact is though, again the VR has spent an eternity to view an incident, from every angle possible, and come up with an abysmal decision at a crucial stage in the match.

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:56 am  

It was nowhere near the line at any time in the process, even the Wire fans in our stand were laughing their heads off when it was given...truly awful decision, Are the ref's now saying that a try can be given if you're near the line but not actually on or over it ?

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:08 pm  

Shocking call. Bentham will probably end up refereeing the grand final.

I just find last nights call unacceptable for full time referees. It's not a mistake. He's looked at the call in slow motion from about 4 different angles, all showing the ball short, not one showing it on the line. Yet a full time referee still gives it. There's no explanation for the try being awarded. Expect to see Bentham refereeing wigan Leeds next week.

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:50 pm  

Wire Yed wrote:

Thaler has seen it hit the line

Er, he hasn't, cos it didn't. That much at least we all know.

Wire Yed wrote:

and just gone to the video ref to double check,

Indeed he did give the job to the VR - who then became a second RL official to invent the mirage of the ball hitting the line when as has been said every person viewing all the camera angles knows, there was definitively NO image of the ball touching the line. Having been given the job, the VR has NO excuse for this foul-up.

Wire Yed wrote:

if this hadn't been televised it would have still been given.

But if in the heat of the moment Thaler had honestly thought he saw the ball legally touch the line then I would have no problem with that. he doesn't have video replay facilities in his head, it was close, and he will inevitably from time to time make wrong calls. The fact that Thaler would have given the try (if he would) is entirely beside the point - he didn't, thus the opportunity arose for a just decision by the VR - and, yet again, the Vr inexplicably goofed. That's the point.

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:19 pm  

Awful decision the ball never touched the line, and as usual awful commentary from sky, the wig wearer just dismissed baldy's comments.

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:46 pm  

Maybe we should adopt the Aussie approach, the ref makes a call and then refers it to the video ref.
If it's inconclusive then the original ref call stands.

Re: Video ref again what's the point : Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:56 pm  

Wire Yed wrote:

Maybe we should adopt the Aussie approach, the ref makes a call and then refers it to the video ref.
If it's inconclusive then the original ref call stands.

But even the system the Aussies use, continues to be contentious.

Last night’s decision was a poor one IMO, not on one of the camera’s did it look like the ball was on the line, but we are talking millimetres, and meanwhile forward passes go unpunished.

I’ve heard the momentum theory ad-infinitum, however, Castleford’s second try last week, for example, was blatantly forward yet hardly gets a mention, whereas last night’s ruling gets a full dissection.