Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:13 pm  

The players that took the field put in a magnificent effort, but it is either dumb to not use two subs or it us dumb to choose two players that you don't trust enough to put into battle. I'll let you choose which...

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:19 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

The players that took the field put in a magnificent effort, but it is either dumb to not use two subs or it us dumb to choose two players that you don't trust enough to put into battle. I'll let you choose which...

It could also be dumb to assume subs always have to be used or if used would have made the difference.

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:20 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

It could also be dumb to assume subs always have to be used or if used would have made the difference.

He's saving singleton and ward for the playoffs.

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:20 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

The players that took the field put in a magnificent effort, but it is either dumb to not use two subs or it us dumb to choose two players that you don't trust enough to put into battle. I'll let you choose which...

It does however shed clear light onto why Singleton struggles to get selected at times.

Down a guy then you're going to want your best defensive guys out there. For all the talk about amount of carries forwards do the main issue for players non selection is defensive reasons. Think of Stevie Ward and Achurch too, players who at times have had iffy defensive showings and aren't as good in that department as others.

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:50 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

It could also be dumb to assume subs always have to be used or if used would have made the difference.

Yep you are quite right, the RFL let you have 4 subs specifically so you can leave 2 on the bench. Seriously I expected a much better response than that from you. Why the hell would you leave 2 unused players (both forwards) on the bench when you are a man down. It's pure crazy no matter which way you look at it.

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:30 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

It could also be dumb to assume subs always have to be used or if used would have made the difference.

This takes the biscuit....I as much as anybody was pleased that McDermott got it right at Wembley, but this bizarre incomprehensible decision tonight is the reason why McDermott attracts such criticism. It defies logic or any sense. The team was down to 12 men for god's sake and the coach still considered it not worth using his subs !!???

You really must have a picture of McDermott on your bedroom wall. You obviously idolise the man.

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:33 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

Yep you are quite right, the RFL let you have 4 subs specifically so you can leave 2 on the bench. Seriously I expected a much better response than that from you. Why the hell would you leave 2 unused players (both forwards) on the bench when you are a man down. It's pure crazy no matter which way you look at it.

I concur.

BUT I bet Singleton and Robbie Ward still felt valued members of the squad (probably imminently at another club mind)

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:29 am  

That was Leeds' 627th game of the SL Era where four substitutes are permitted on the bench - total excludes the 1996 Challenge Cup which were the final games with only two. After a quick scan through the spreadsheet last night's game appears to be the only time any Leeds coach has seen fit to leave 50% of them unused in any single game.

Peacock, great player though he undoubtedly is, was at fault from marker for the St Helens opening try on 62 minutes. Despite being a man down when the points eventually came, they came through the middle. Would fresh bodies have made a difference ..... who knows.

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:51 am  

down to 12 for a long time, players running on empty. whichever way you look at it, its bloody odd to only use 2 replacements

Re: Lack of effort. Mcdermott OUT. : Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:09 am  

If a Coach doesn't "trust" his subs why select them?
Or are you implying the Coach thought we would be that far in front it wouldn't matter how they would have to defend?
Sorry JC that's ridiculous as for comparisons with Singleton and Kirke did you miss the Wire away game or has Kirke never missed a tackle?