Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:07 am  

Vespid_Wire wrote:

Saints fans will be raving that they've won the hubcap after years of calling it meaningless. 8 years of nothing will do that to you though I guess

We won the LLS and Challenge Cup in 2008 so that'd make this the 6th year? 5 seasons without a trophy and barring anything major we should be back to picking one up this year, that's not too bad for a transitional period, especially when you consider we've still made 3 grand finals since then.

But believe me, you don't have to lecture Saints fans about the meaninglessness of the league leaders shield (not saying I agree with it btw). If we assume we're not going to win the grand final this year, that would make it 2005, 2007, 2008 and 2014 that we've won the LLS without winning the grand final. Hardly anybody remembers that, which just about says it all.

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:09 am  

sir adrian morley wrote:

best voluntary tackle was chris joints in the grand final..

Exactly! Probably the most obvious one you'll ever see and the ref wasn't interested. Like I said, never seen one called in my life. Anyway, apparently (I haven't read them myself but seen them quoted) the rules actually state that a voluntary tackle is when you actually play the ball without being deemed to be tackled. Giving yourself up to be tackled isn't against the rules unless I'm mistaken, but that makes more sense to me.

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:15 am  

The Reaper wrote:

We won the LLS and Challenge Cup in 2008 so that'd make this the 6th year? 5 seasons without a trophy and barring anything major we should be back to picking one up this year, that's not too bad for a transitional period, especially when you consider we've still made 3 grand finals since then.

But believe me, you don't have to lecture to Saints fans the meaninglessness of the league leaders shield (not saying I agree with it btw). If we assume we're not going to win the grand final this year, that would make it 2005, 2007, 2008 and 2014 that we've won the LLS without winning the grand final. Hardly anybody remembers that, which just about says it all.

Winning the LLS means you were the best team over the entire season. The fact it is considered meaningless by many (including myself) is an insult to the team winning it but that's the way it is with the playoffs. I think next year it will mean more coming 1st, as you have (on paper) easier games in the Super 8.

Is there still going to be a LLS next year? The team in 1st at the end of the normal rounds before Super 8?

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:19 am  

Vespid_Wire wrote:

Winning the LLS means you were the best team over the entire season. The fact it is considered meaningless by many (including myself) is an insult to the team winning it but that's the way it is with the playoffs. I think next year it will mean more coming 1st, as you have (on paper) easier games in the Super 8.

Is there still going to be a LLS next year? The team in 1st at the end of the normal rounds before Super 8?

That's a good point. As far as I know, the play-offs don't start til after the Super 8, so my assumption (and that's all it is!) is that the LLS will be awarded after the Super 8 to whoever is top.

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:39 am  

The Reaper wrote:

That's a good point. As far as I know, the play-offs don't start til after the Super 8, so my assumption (and that's all it is!) is that the LLS will be awarded after the Super 8 to whoever is top.

Possibly yeah. Only the top 4 go into the "playoffs" as well so it's basically just semi finals. So next year top 4 is crucial with the hopes of top 2 for (I think) a home tie in the Semi.

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:16 pm  

I seem to recall Sean Long doing an outrageous voluntary tackle one time!?

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:24 pm  

I seem to remember ,i think Mickey Higham, in the Saints v Catalans CC semi at the HJ a few years ago ,being penalised for a voluntary tackle.

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:36 pm  

I think Kieron Cunningham and Leon Price have also been the villain of a voluntary tackle...
Bit of a theme around these names?
Joint Higham Long Cunningham Price?

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:41 pm  

The Reaper wrote:

Anyway, apparently (I haven't read them myself but seen them quoted) the rules actually state that a voluntary tackle is when you actually play the ball without being deemed to be tackled. Giving yourself up to be tackled isn't against the rules unless I'm mistaken, but that makes more sense to me.

You're wrong. A voluntary tackle is when a player in possession shall not deliberately and unnecessarily allow himself to be tackled by voluntarily falling to the ground when not held by an opponent.

Doesn't matter about playing the ball before being tackled, it's actually going to ground without any tackle made.

Re: Sky Sports SL (all things) : Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:41 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

I seem to recall Sean Long doing an outrageous voluntary tackle one time!?

No, he just dived like a complete prat and dropped the ball over the try line.