Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:27 am  

fc baldy wrote:

You don't like players being naughty do you

I don't like players taking the mickey, no. Happened far too much in the past. Don't care how good they are/could be, if their heads are up their arses and can't be sorted bin them off.

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:29 am  

*1865* wrote:

I don't like players taking the mickey, no. Happened far too much in the past. Don't care how good they are/could be, if their heads are up their arses and can't be sorted bin them off.

+1

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 8:55 am  

Mrs Barista wrote:

. Heard Crooks to Wire on Twitter.

Does it come with Audio description?

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:02 am  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

Their owner is worth £60m so probably not too much of an issue.

Thought Moran was worth more.

Besides, its ok being "worth" all that, depends how much he can write a cheque for.......

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:04 am  

Mrs Barista wrote:

Not good enough or too good to bulk up?

Maybe he doesnt need it. Health wise too

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:07 am  

BIGARR wrote:

How do you know he is messing the club around? I don't claim to know different but in my eyes it seems that it is FC/Radford messing him about and I feel sorry for him.

Agree, it could well be the "culture" at the club which ends up messing players about.

Wigan and Leeds find good young players and give them 5 year deals.

What do we do?

Under uncle Kath everyone got 2 or 1 year deals

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:39 am  

frepneyboy wrote:

Agree, it could well be the "culture" at the club which ends up messing players about.

Wigan and Leeds find good young players and give them 5 year deals.

What do we do?

Under uncle Kath everyone got 2 or 1 year deals

Green got a long term deal
houghton
lineham
shaul
if players prove themselves n want it we've been going down that road.
regarding crooks I first saw him about four yrs ago. Obviously he was tall skinny kid defensively flimsy. He's still a tall skinny kid n defensively flimsy.
This has to change if hes to be any good.
Range of supplements there is these days,the scientific knowledge regarding nutrition n the knowledge behind strenght n conditioning n being a full time athlete even the most stuborn of 'hardgainers' would struggle to beat only putting on a couple of pounds a yr the way crooks has.
You'd have to question how hes preparing himself away from the training ground!

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:46 am  

*1865* wrote:

Can only see Ellis playing prop if we secure another 2nd rower, don't see the point otherwise.

Crooks is on the naughty step. Too many with poor attitudes been given an easy ride in the past.

Spot on mate, particularly, your last comment, if we could just get the attitudes right, what a set-up we would have.

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:52 am  

airliebird,runninglate! wrote:

Green got a long term deal
houghton
lineham
shaul
if players prove themselves n want it we've been going down that road.
regarding crooks I first saw him about four yrs ago. Obviously he was tall skinny kid defensively flimsy. He's still a tall skinny kid n defensively flimsy.
This has to change if hes to be any good.
Range of supplements there is these days,the scientific knowledge regarding nutrition n the knowledge behind strenght n conditioning n being a full time athlete even the most stuborn of 'hardgainers' would struggle to beat only putting on a couple of pounds a yr the way crooks has.
You'd have to question how hes preparing himself away from the training ground!

People said for years Paul Cooke had to bulk up when he burst onto the scene. He didnt, and was still our best attacking player

[Kosh]

Re: Trade Up or Down? : Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:15 am  

Diogenes wrote:

If he bulks up will he lose some of his other qualities such as pace?

Surely defensive ability can be trained with good coaching? Unless he has no heart of course. Are you suggesting that?

I don't think he'll ever be world class if that's that you mean but I do think he has the potential to be an established Super League standard centre.

He is the best centre currently at Hull FC. Yeaman's failings are well known and he is virtually past it. Sa seems only to be able to manage 15 minutes.

Crooks is definitely a better centre than Whiting.

Gaining body mass does not compromise pace if it's done correctly. And technique can only get you so far. A combination of the two would work best and that appears to be the approach being attempted by the club. I really don't see a problem with it.

Would I have played him ahead of Whiting in the centres? Absolutely. But I'd have played Sa ahead of either of them. We have no idea if he can manage long spells or not because for some reason he's not being played in anything other than short bursts.

There are two sides to every story and some of the stuff circulating about Crooks indicates that he possibly doesn't have the right attitude to succeed. We've had a squad with far too many players with that attitude for far too long, and if we've finally decided to be tough on them then that's more than fine with me.