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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:24 am  
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That suggests there was no method behind all of this - which I find very hard to believe.

Someone posted earlier that the company which signed the 106 agreement has since been wound up - if that's the case, it indicates that there was a plan all along to renege on the agreement.

I'm sending a brief outline of this case to Private Eye this weekend - they love anything to do with bent councils and dodgy companies.


Don't know if the company who signed the Section 106 Agreement has been wound up or not but there has been changes in the Directors of the company.

If there was always an intent never to deliver on the Section 106 agreement then to my untrained legal eye that sounds like fraud.
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:26 am  
As regards Ed Balls. I know he has a lot of faults but at least he has replied to me on the two occasions I wrote to him. In the first case he actually resolved the matter. So maybe not wasted if you do write to him.

I think Leeds Council were against the industrial development more than the stadium as it upsets their plans for the lower Aire Valley but I may be wrong.
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:19 am  
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As regards Ed Balls. I know he has a lot of faults but at least he has replied to me on the two occasions I wrote to him. In the first case he actually resolved the matter. So maybe not wasted if you do write to him.

I think Leeds Council were against the industrial development more than the stadium as it upsets their plans for the lower Aire Valley but I may be wrong.


I think there were other reasons but certainly that was one of them in my opinion.
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:21 am  
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If there was always an intent never to deliver on the Section 106 agreement then to my untrained legal eye that sounds like fraud.


See my earlier post

The Avenger wrote:
There is some discussion to be had around the idea of "mala fides" acting outside the spirit in which an agreement was made. This can also become an act of fraud in as much as it can be interpreted that the offending party never intended to adhere to the agreement and always planned to breach the agreement in some way.

I'm obviously no lawyer but if such grounds were to be found then there is also the possibility that the agreement can be revoked and any such subsequent permissions retrospectively repealed. Maybe this is something the Secretary of State might consider, given that their Officer was conned into approving the Planning by YCP.

I'd even go as far as suggesting that any profits made by YCP could be seized as they were gained via the aforementioned deception (fraud)

All hypothetical and allegedly of course
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:50 pm  
bren2k wrote:
That suggests there was no method behind all of this - which I find very hard to believe.

Someone posted earlier that the company which signed the 106 agreement has since been wound up - if that's the case, it indicates that there was a plan all along to renege on the agreement.

I'm sending a brief outline of this case to Private Eye this weekend - they love anything to do with bent councils and dodgy companies.


There are several 'Yorkcourt' companies the main stay are Colin Mackie and a guy called Jones. He is the son of the Jones and crecraft organisation that owned all the amusement arcades in Wakfield. These two are no longer involved with the company as dircetors that signed the 106. That company is left in the ownership of the Shipley brothers who I think have a lot of their money from bingo halls.

However Jones and Mackie have set up a new company and I think that is the one that applied for newcold planning.

I am sure if you start to dig really deep you will find many interesting links and avenues to explore.

Glad to have you on board mate hope you get some interest from Private Eye.
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:00 pm  
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There are several 'Yorkcourt' companies the main stay are Colin Mackie and a guy called Jones. He is the son of the Jones and crecraft organisation that owned all the amusement arcades in Wakfield. These two are no longer involved with the company as dircetors that signed the 106. That company is left in the ownership of the Shipley brothers who I think have a lot of their money from bingo halls.

However Jones and Mackie have set up a new company and I think that is the one that applied for newcold planning.

I am sure if you start to dig really deep you will find many interesting links and avenues to explore.

Glad to have you on board mate hope you get some interest from Private Eye.


Any authority looking to prove wrongdoing will easily prove a link between the company that signed the 106 agreement and any other faux company set up by the same Directors. In fact, the more convoluted it gets the more it looks like they've planned to act improperly.
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:10 pm  
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Any authority looking to prove wrongdoing will easily prove a link between the company that signed the 106 agreement and any other faux company set up by the same Directors. In fact, the more convoluted it gets the more it looks like they've planned to act improperly.


Hard to say, I have also been told that it is quite common to open and dissolve companies in the development world. There is certainly nothing illegal in what they are doing. According to Sir Rodney he is quite comfortable in the belief he will get the millions of pounds he
requires out of these people in order to buy and redevelop Belle Vue.
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:18 pm  
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Hard to say, I have also been told that it is quite common to open and dissolve companies in the development world. There is certainly nothing illegal in what they are doing. According to Sir Rodney he is quite comfortable in the belief he will get the millions of pounds he
requires out of these people in order to buy and redevelop Belle Vue.


Let's hope SRW can do exactly that because this will be a one time deal and if we don't get enough to totally revamp the stadium then it'll be 50 years before we can try again.
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:34 pm  
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Daddycool has just said loud and clear he has been stitched up.

Rodders has also said in that article exactly what he wanted to say.
Its also strange that the developer hasn't the funds to deliver NM but can find money to deliver a revamped Belle Vue.
No mention of a dodgy 106 either.

Poor old developer he has used the promises of building a stadium at Newmarket to get the wider planning gain he wanted and
has now realised that it will cost him too much !!!

Ok say who's stitched him up?
If Sir Rodney said: “At the moment the club has decided they would rather see the refurbishment of Belle Vue rather than wait for a new stadium at Newmarket..."
Then it would appear it is him if MC has not said that and does not think that.
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Re: Upping the Ante! : Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:35 pm  
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Let's hope SRW can do exactly that because this will be a one time deal and if we don't get enough to totally revamp the stadium then it'll be 50 years before we can try again.


Yes and in order to do that the stadium land has to go through planning in order to have its use changed and value increased.
Once that happens its the point of no return. Then if the money is not paid towards BV or the land of BV and superbowl are bought by someone else, there is no going back. We will then end up with nothing and poor old MC will get the blame for wanting to do this.

This scheme of Sir Rodney has been around for several months. It is a non starter without ownership of BV and superbowl. there has been more than enough time to secure these if the scheme was genuine and so far this has not been done.
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