Re: Perspective : Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:05 am  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

I too hate the idea of rewarding the losing team, however if it made for more close matches going down to the wire then I could be persuaded to reconsider.

Did it work like that in the championship? I am sure what you mean is high intensity matches with nothing held back. What you actually get is boring wrestling tactics and not stop messing about at the play the ball, just to stay within two scores.

Re: Perspective : Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:07 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

I too hate the idea of rewarding the losing team, however if it made for more close matches going down to the wire then I could be persuaded to reconsider.

I too want games to be competitive and close but think this is a bit of a short cut.

I actually think, when you look at some of the surprising results this season (just look at last weekend's results) we're already getting there without the need for this nonsense.

Re: Perspective : Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:07 pm  

G1 wrote:

I actually think, when you look at some of the surprising results this season (just look at last weekend's results) we're already getting there without the need for this nonsense.

I don't think so.

Suprising results still only occur when the better team plays crap. In the NRL you get suprise results and the teams are going set for set, offload for offload, break for break, hit for hit. Let's say you tune in to London v Wigan on sky, for london to win you basically need wigan to have an awful completion rate, a soft defence and to generally not seem 'up' for the game.

I guess super league is getting better in comparison with itself years ago in the sense that if someone is off their game there is a much greater chance of an upset than there used to be.

I like the look of new structure. Theres going to be more crunch games and it will be harder to win the title. Gone are the days you can mickey through half the games, beat your rivals a couple of times and pretty much be guaranteed a grand final place if you finish in the top 2.

Re: Perspective : Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:39 pm  

I think there's been an acceptance of 30 or even 40 points against as somehow 'OK' for a long time in SL. As a result teams throw in the towel way too early, and don't seem to play for the full 80 minutes. What you see more often in the NRL is losing teams at least bashing away until the last 5 minutes - and that quarter of a game is often when we see scorelines explode.

IMO that's almost the number 1 reason why one-sided games are less common even when on paper teams are clearly mismatched, and its nothing to do with P&R, franchising or anything else - its a different mindset.

Re: Perspective : Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:12 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

I think there's been an acceptance of 30 or even 40 points against as somehow 'OK' for a long time in SL. As a result teams throw in the towel way too early, and don't seem to play for the full 80 minutes. What you see more often in the NRL is losing teams at least bashing away until the last 5 minutes - and that quarter of a game is often when we see scorelines explode.

IMO that's almost the number 1 reason why one-sided games are less common even when on paper teams are clearly mismatched, and its nothing to do with P&R, franchising or anything else - its a different mindset.

I see your point, but I think it is very much to do with P&R. At the end of the day points difference rarely matters so much, but fatigue does. If your realistic chance of getting league points is gone, why bust a gut to make the score flattering, when that energy and effort could be put towards winning next week's game? With the luxury of no relegation you can throw yourself into a lost game, as there is no long term penalty.

THe problem with this approach is that losing is a habit, and if you are getting pumped by 30-40 each week it becomes very hard to turn around, and players confidence is shot, and are beaten before they go onto the pitch

Re: Perspective : Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:33 am  

The Eagle wrote:

I see your point, but I think it is very much to do with P&R. At the end of the day points difference rarely matters so much, but fatigue does. If your realistic chance of getting league points is gone, why bust a gut to make the score flattering, when that energy and effort could be put towards winning next week's game? With the luxury of no relegation you can throw yourself into a lost game, as there is no long term penalty.

THe problem with this approach is that losing is a habit, and if you are getting pumped by 30-40 each week it becomes very hard to turn around, and players confidence is shot, and are beaten before they go onto the pitch

There has been no P&R in Super League for many years but that has not stopped blow scores?

I think Brisbane is correct it is about a professional ethic and pride in performance, too many SL players throw in the towel when a win appears unachievable.

Re: Perspective : Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:19 am  

I've said it before and will say it again, easiest way to stop blow out scores. Move to quarters.

Re: Perspective : Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:03 pm  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

What you see more often in the NRL is losing teams at least bashing away until the last 5 minutes - and that quarter of a game is often when we see scorelines explode.

Caught much of NZ warriors this season? I've watched quite abit to check up on Tomkins, and they would literally put 50 points on the best super league has to offer.

They are 9th in the NRL.

Conrad hurrell is a beast, they must feed him raw meat, he'd smash through Watkins like a rag doll.

Re: Perspective : Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:23 pm  

Sometimes, one team is 30 or 40 points better than the other on that given day.

Frankly I think it's an insult to the players to suggest that those kind of gaps come about purely because they can't be bothered.

Still, if we want to introduce more gimmicks to the sport until it becomes virtually unrecognisable...

Re: Perspective : Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:36 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

I've said it before and will say it again, easiest way to stop blow out scores. Move to quarters.

Not sure about that.

Scorelines blow out because a team can have a purple patch where they may score 3/4 trys in a short space of time. That could still happen in quarters.

A team could be awful in one half, but also in two quarters!