Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:58 pm  

As for tough if they are so far behind. What is the point of the new structure then? they are behind now and will be then, so why change. If one from below does manage that higher up then it will be the expense of someone higher. I bet the same people on here saying tough now, won't be preaching the same if it was Leeds. The whole point of the season is the Grand Final, so why restrict to just four teams.[/quote]


Wrong. I won't moan if it's Leeds , if we don't win it we don't win it. The point of the structure is to make the first 23 rounds ( should be 22 but that's another discussion ) meaningful that they can make a massive difference. If Leeds are 10 points adrift of 4th that's because they won't have been good enough all year. If a team in 8th has no chance of making the 4 that's because they weren't good enough. I don't see how you can find fault with that.

My offer still stands by the way if you would like to have the idiot part of my name off me, leave me with harmless , I think blithering is still available if you want it

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:14 pm  

harmless idiot wrote:

Wrong. I won't moan if it's Leeds , if we don't win it we don't win it. The point of the structure is to make the first 23 rounds ( should be 22 but that's another discussion ) meaningful that they can make a massive difference. If Leeds are 10 points adrift of 4th that's because they won't have been good enough all year. If a team in 8th has no chance of making the 4 that's because they weren't good enough. I don't see how you can find fault with that.

And what about the dead rubber extra seven games in that scenario, which is what we are talking about? you do understand the structure don't you? if you want a top 4 for the play offs, then all fine, but don't bother with the extra 7 games then, just go as finish after 23 rounds.

harmless idiot wrote:

My offer still stands by the way if you would like to have the idiot part of my name off me, leave me with harmless , I think blithering is still available if you want it

I think the idiot part is the only part that fits your name, so best leave where is.

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:49 pm  

[quote="Gotcha"]And what about the dead rubber extra seven games in that scenario, which is what we are talking about? you do understand the structure don't you? if you want a top 4 for the play offs, then all fine, but don't bother with the extra 7 games then, just go as finish after 23 rounds.


I do understand what the concept is, thanks for asking anyway. If there are 7 dead rubber rounds then that team has not been great all season to be 15 points behind 4th. I'm not sure what would please you as you manage to find fault with everything, nothing is perfect in life there will always be someone with nothing to play for. The idea is have as many teams with something to play for as possible and to do that you have to be of a certain standard. There are teams now who have nothing to play for should they not bother at least for pride though.

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:59 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

I recall having a similar debate a few months ago with a fan of ones of those teams around 8th place on the VT who complained that the system was poor as his team could most likely enter that top 8 period 10 points adrift and very little chance of making it up in the extra remaining games thus they were meaningless games.

The obvious reply to him was don't find yourself 10+ points adrift in the first place. Think it's sadly eneviatable that in 12 months time we'll see threads on the VT with fans of the 7th/8th teams complaining they can't catch the top 4 when the split down to 8 happens.

We probably wont see them moaning because by that point they will likely have given up on the season and wont bother with it.

We can moralise about it, we can just tell clubs to be better, doesnt really matter if people dont watch the games. Its far more likely, almost certain that mathematically the super 8's will be dead rubbers for some sides, and pretty much all of them quite quickly.

Even this year which is relatively very competitive and close at the top, there are 6 points between 1st and 5th, in a 7 game league that can very quickly become unbridgeable, there are 9 points between 8th and 4th. Within 2 games that can become an impossibility.

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:15 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

We probably wont see them moaning because by that point they will likely have given up on the season and wont bother with it.

We can moralise about it, we can just tell clubs to be better, doesnt really matter if people dont watch the games. Its far more likely, almost certain that mathematically the super 8's will be dead rubbers for some sides, and pretty much all of them quite quickly.

Even this year which is relatively very competitive and close at the top, there are 6 points between 1st and 5th, in a 7 game league that can very quickly become unbridgeable, there are 9 points between 8th and 4th. Within 2 games that can become an impossibility.

Exactly. And going back a few posts here, as Gareth said, just as we seem to have got it working.

The new concept of the play offs just don't make sense, unless you go with the top 4 from the end of 23 rounds.

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:22 pm  

G1 wrote:

I haven't read anything about that. Hope it's not true because, like you, I hate the idea of bonus points.

I agree BUT if that system was in place this season we'd be 2 points clear at the top

RFL still discussing it with the clubs

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:26 pm  

I've just seen something about it online.

Absolutely hate the principal of rewarding a losing team.

I also loathe it when posters say what I am bout to say and accuse them of massive over reaction but I'm not sure I'd be interested in watching that "sport".

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:28 pm  

G1 wrote:

I've just seen something about it online.

Absolutely hate the principal of rewarding a losing team.

I also loathe it when posters say what I am bout to say and accuse them of massive over reaction but I'm not sure I'd be interested in watching that "sport".

Total agreement. And with the last bit also.

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:31 pm  

G1 wrote:

I've just seen something about it online.

Absolutely hate the principal of rewarding a losing team.

I also loathe it when posters say what I am bout to say and accuse them of massive over reaction but I'm not sure I'd be interested in watching that "sport".

I too hate the idea of rewarding the losing team, however if it made for more close matches going down to the wire then I could be persuaded to reconsider.

Re: Perspective : Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:07 pm  

Listened to Super League exec on Radio Leeds just now. The question re bonus points is going out to fans over the next 2 months for their opinion(how ??) I get the feeling we will have it next season