Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:26 pm  

OPTIONS
In order of preference

Full Back
Tomkins
Hardaker
Lomax

Wings
Hall
Makinson
Burgess
Charnley
Briscoe
McGilveray

Centres
Watkins
Shenton
Reed
Atkins
Cudjoe
Caton-Brown

Stand Off
Widdop
Ratchford
Brown
McGuire

Scrum Half
Brough
Sneyd
Sinfield
Smith

Props
Graham
Hill
G Burgess
Taylor
Amor
Walmsley
Huby
T Burgess
Crabtree

Hooker
Roby
Clarke
Lunt
Mcllorum
Houghton

Second Rowers
Ferres
Whitehead
Westwood
Farrell
Bateman
Kirmond


Loose Forward
O'Loughlin
Westerman

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:11 pm  

WireFanatic III wrote:

Indeed he is. But he's a former Wire player. I'm surprised people are picking Chris Hill.....well, apart from Wakey Saint who decided to pick Kyle Amor instead.

Obviously your agenda of "everybody is against Wire" got in the way of you actually reading my post ...pretty sure if you look back at it I had "8. Amor & 15. Hill" and therefore said clearly I would pick both and not Amor instead of Hill.

FWIW I think both are very similar players and rate both very highly. I picked Amor to start as I think Hill would make a bigger impact from the bench than Kyle, using Amor to do the solid graft and introduce Hill after 20 mins when defences are tiring for the yards and breaks he is capable of making...on form I think both should make the starting 17 and to be fair, who starts and who is on the bench is a bit irrelevant as props interchanging like that usually play similar minutes in a game anyway.

Maybe next time you should actually read what somebody posts properly, rather than getting half way down and jumping to incorrect conclusions that just make you look a tad stupid

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:18 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

1. Hardaker
2. Charnley
3. Shenton
4. Watkins
5. Hall
6. S.Tomkins
7. Widdop
8. Graham (c)
9. Roby
10. Hill
11. Ferres
12. Westwood
13. O'Loughlin

14. G.Burgess
15. Clarke
16. Taylor
17. J.Tomkins/Farrell (see how quickly he gets back up to speed)

18. Sinfield
19. Makinson/Briscoe (see how they go in the play offs)
20. Reed
21. Cooper
22. Huby
23. Burrow
24. Farrell/Bateman (depending on whether J.Tomkins looks good enough)

Hardaker is too good to leave out IMO especially as S.Tomkins defence at FB can be a bit suspect and we struggle for good half backs. As someone who watches Smith every week I'm not yet convinced of his ability to turn up in big games, particularly when things aren't going our way. I know it's tough to play behind a beaten pack but I still think Widdop or Tomkins would have thrown more at the opposition v Leeds (A) and Cas (H, cup) this year than Smith did.

I'd go along with this team but you'd have to ask what Charnley has done this season to get in?

Everything else I agree with as I don't think anyone is going to get the bench right as it depends largely on how we want to play. Although I'd definitely have both Roby and Clarke in the 17. The Aussies must be jealous of that!

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:45 pm  

Don't see how anyone can pick Bateman or Kirmond, and to a less extent Ferres over Ablett, Ablett has been one of the best 2nd rowers in SL this season.

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:05 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Don't see how anyone can pick Bateman or Kirmond, and to a less extent Ferres over Ablett, Ablett has been one of the best 2nd rowers in SL this season.

Agreed, Ablett has been very good. But I would put Bateman in as well, although Mcnamara will keep one as a sub, not use them then wonder why a half back had stepped passed a knackard prop in 79th minute.

1. Hardaker
2, Briscoe (just a head of Makinson)
3. Watkins
4. Shenton
5. Hall
6. Tomkins
7. Widdop
8. Graham
9. Roby
10. Hill
11. Ferres
12. Whitehead
13. O'loughlin

14. Clark
15. Huby
16. G Burgess
17. Ablett/Bateman

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:06 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

OPTIONS
In order of preference

Full Back
Tomkins
Hardaker
Lomax

Wings
Hall
Makinson
Burgess
Charnley
Briscoe
McGilveray

Centres
Watkins
Shenton
Reed
Atkins
Cudjoe
Caton-Brown

Stand Off
Widdop
Ratchford
Brown
McGuire

Scrum Half
Brough
Sneyd
Sinfield
Smith

Props
Graham
Hill
G Burgess
Taylor
Amor
Walmsley
Huby
T Burgess
Crabtree

Hooker
Roby
Clarke
Lunt
Mcllorum
Houghton

Second Rowers
Ferres
Whitehead
Westwood
Farrell
Bateman
Kirmond


Loose Forward
O'Loughlin
Westerman

Shows how much depth we have

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:16 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Don't see how anyone can pick Bateman or Kirmond, and to a less extent Ferres over Ablett, Ablett has been one of the best 2nd rowers in SL this season.

Bateman has probably been Wigans player of the season (he's certainly many Wigan fans choice in a thread on our board) and whilst very young is looking a very good player already.

Better then Ablett? Not sure, I don't see enough of him but Bateman is pushing up in to international contention you'd have to think.

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:24 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

...Bateman is pushing up in to international contention you'd have to think.

Is he big enough?

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:59 pm  

Mr Churchill wrote:

Is he big enough?

Not yet.

Re: Your England Team : Tue Jul 29, 2014 3:02 pm  

Albion wrote:

I'd go along with this team but you'd have to ask what Charnley has done this season to get in?

Everything else I agree with as I don't think anyone is going to get the bench right as it depends largely on how we want to play. Although I'd definitely have both Roby and Clarke in the 17. The Aussies must be jealous of that!

Charnley has scored 13 tries in his last 8 games; he looks like he's over his injury and back to last season's form to me. He also tends to stand up at important times in big games IMO, scoring in our '11 cup final v Leeds, '13 grand final v Warrington (in the second half to put us level before the conversion) and for England v Australia with 4mins to go which would have put us within a score of a draw, had it been converted.