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Re: Last night's game. : Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:31 pm  
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Either add the missing game's stats into the 2012 figures or remove those additional games from the 2013 figures - so that a comparison (even one that uses an incomplete data set) can be made.

IIRC when I did this most of the six forwards results didn't support your conclusion that followed on page 4 - viewtopic.php?f=17&t=563946&tsmp=1394450501&start=32


That surprises me. Regardless of completeness, The Printer's averages, in most cases, differ quite widely between the years. Some player performances during those missing games must have been, to quote Mick Morgan, darbolical in 2013 and excellent in 2012 to narrow or even close those gaps.
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Either add the missing game's stats into the 2012 figures or remove those additional games from the 2013 figures - so that a comparison (even one that uses an incomplete data set) can be made.

IIRC when I did this most of the six forwards results didn't support your conclusion that followed on page 4 - viewtopic.php?f=17&t=563946&tsmp=1394450501&start=32


That surprises me. Regardless of completeness, The Printer's averages, in most cases, differ quite widely between the years. Some player performances during those missing games must have been, to quote Mick Morgan, darbolical in 2013 and excellent in 2012 to narrow or even close those gaps.
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Re: Last night's game. : Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:38 am  
ThePrinter wrote:
So how is 2013 incomplete in terms of games played?

Simple question.


Which has already been simply answered. Those Opta stats have never included all 1st grade games played in any of the seasons they list. They came closer to doing so in 2013 but they are still incomplete.

The relevant part remains that anyone producing averages in order to compare 2013 to any previous season would need to take care that the previous season/s used the equivalent data set.

ThePrinter didn't do this which is why his figures for 2012 were understated giving the false impression of 'across the board improvements' (at least according to the Opts stats) an impression that is unsupported when applying the comparable data set for 2012.

The error has been acknowledged and a corrected post has been previously promised but which is still to appear.

So which is it - can't produce an accurate comparison or won't produce one?
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Re: Last night's game. : Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:02 am  
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That surprises me. Regardless of completeness, The Printer's averages, in most cases, differ quite widely between the years. Some player performances during those missing games must have been, to quote Mick Morgan, darbolical in 2013 and excellent in 2012 to narrow or even close those gaps.


I carn't spake.

The completeness of either season's data set wasn't the crucial flaw introduced by ThePrinter that materially changed the outcome.

The inability to produce meaningfull averages for one half of the comparison is where it went pear-shaped.

As stated above his error has been acknowledged, just awaiting his previously promised corrections now.
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Re: Last night's game. : Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:08 am  
tvoc wrote:
Which has already been simply answered.


No it hasn't, you've waffled on for ages hoping that length of reply would hide the fact you haven't answered.

WHAT GAMES FROM 2013 ARE MISSING FOR THOSE 6 FORWARDS THAT MAKE 2013 "INCOMPLETE"????

It's like dealing with a child who isn't grown up enough to just say "2013 wasn't incomplete, I was wrong."
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Re: Last night's game. : Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:21 pm  
Tvoc you've gone suspiciously quiet on the subject, you said 2013 was incomplete in terms of games, I have the following.....

Leuluai = 22 games
Bailey = 14
Delaney = 18
Clarkson = 23
Kirke = 29
JJB = 22

So please correct them and list the correct number of games as 'apparently' mine are incomplete. ;)
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Re: Last night's game. : Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:48 am  
Oh. This is still going.

Goody.
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Re: Last night's game. : Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:51 am  
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Re: Last night's game. : Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:21 pm  
ThePrinter wrote:
No it hasn't, you've waffled on for ages hoping that length of reply would hide the fact you haven't answered.

WHAT GAMES FROM 2013 ARE MISSING FOR THOSE 6 FORWARDS THAT MAKE 2013 "INCOMPLETE"????


The games that Opta (on that site) have never included in their statistics.

Not sure how many times I need to provide the same answer to the same question.

ThePrinter wrote:
It's like dealing with a child who isn't grown up enough to just say "2013 wasn't incomplete, I was wrong."


Why would I say that when those stats don't include all 1st grade games.

__________

Still awaiting the previously promised corrections to your errant posts from page 4 of the thread:

ThePrinter wrote:
I do look at stats in detail, here's some taking into account a massive factor of amount of games played.

LEULUAI
Games Played - 2013 (22) 2012 (29)
Metres (Average Per Game) - 1860 (84.5) 2005 (69.1)
Tackles - 416 (18.9) 449 (15.4)

BAILEY
Games Played - 2013 (14) 2012 (22)
Metres - 750 (53.6) 1034 (47)
Tackles - 352 (25.1) 425 (19.3)

DELANEY
Games Played - 2013 (18) 2012 (29)
Metres - 1480 (82.2) 2201 (75.9)
Tackles - 527 (29.3) 769 (26.5)

CLARKSON
Games Played - 2013 (23) 2012 (23)
Metres - 1365 (59.3) 843 (36.7)
Tackles - 575 (25) 450 (19.6)

KIRKE
Games Played - 2013 (29) 2012 (21)
Metres - 1474 (50.9) 1033 (49.2)
Tackles - 583 (20.1) 294 (14)

JJB
Games Played - 2013 (22) 2012 (20)
Metres - 1867 (84.9) 1793 (89.6)
Tackles - 681 (30.9) 531 (26.6)

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All six post a healthy increase in number of tackles made per game. 5 of the 6 made increases in metres made per game. An almost entire clean sweep of improvement from 2012 by the whole forwards in the two big departments, so maybe criticism of them going downhill in 2013 has been incorrect.


And

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As for more metres per carry, all 6 actually slightly decreased in the department, they ended up with more metres per game by taking more carries in and increasing their workload.

Carries per game.....

JJB = 14.1 (2013) - 12.2 (2012)
LEULUAI = 11.6 - 8.9
DELANEY = 12.3 - 11.2
CLARKSON = 10.3 - 6.3
BAILEY = 9.1 - 7.5
KIRKE = 7.1 - 6.6

So that's Metres made, tackles, and carries they all improved on. Increased workload in both attack and defence.

So the thought that Peacock was the only real one to increase his workload whilst others sat back and let him isn't on the money.


They were your chosen statistical comparisons

- you accept you got them wrong

- you had no issue with someone pointing out that they were flawed

- you offered to post an apology and provide the corrected stats

and yet they are still to appear.
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Re: Last night's game. : Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:42 pm  
So in summary, the 2013 stats aren't incomplete....

tvoc wrote:
if I'm wrong on this matter I promise to never post on RLFsns again.


Clearly not it would seem.
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Re: Last night's game. : Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:59 pm  
Re Amor, it's worth bearing in mind that when he actually played for Leeds he invariably looked poor, at best average. Based on what I saw I, for one, had and still have, no issues with letting him go. There is no reason to think he would ever have overcome his average-ness issues whilst playing for Leeds. Perhaps he is just better suited to a smaller club.
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