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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:01 pm  
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SL is five isn't it?


Haven't seen anywhere suggesting it changes?

B1:12A

At the time of notification in any season of the Provisional First Team Squad and First Team Squad and following any amendments during the season, a Club’s First Team Squad, where that Club is in Super League, must consist of:

a maximum of 7 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club Trained, Federation Trained or are working towards either classification.
a minimum of 7 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards that classification.
the remainder being made up of Club Trained, Federation Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards either classification.
B1:12B The following definitions shall apply to Clause B1:12A above:

‘Club Trained Player’: a player who has been on the Club’s register for any 3 full Seasons before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level. For the avoidance of doubt, from the 2010 Season onwards a player must satisfy the requirement to have been on the Club’s register for 3 full Seasons before being ineligible to play at Under 21 level in order to qualify as a ‘Club Trained Player’ and the fact that he may have qualified as a ‘Club Trained Player’ in the 2008 and/or 2009 Seasons shall be irrelevant.
‘Federation Trained Player’: a player who, for any 3 full Seasons [before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level has been on one of the Club’s register or the register of another Club being a member of the same rugby league Federation. For the avoidance of doubt if a player moves from one Club’s register to another Club’s register and there is a period of no more than 28 days in the Season (as defined) and any amount of the period between the 1 December and the day of the first League Match, Representative Match or Cup Tie (whichever is sooner) between being removed from one register and being registered with another Club, consecutively shall not be broken for the purposes of this clause. In addition a Club may apply for a Player who has been granted New Talent Pool status by the RSCM (see E1:5.12 below) to be granted Federation Trained status.
‘Academy Junior’: a player who is eligible by age to play at Under 21 level and who is on the Club’s Register.


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DemonUK wrote:
SL is five isn't it?


Haven't seen anywhere suggesting it changes?

B1:12A

At the time of notification in any season of the Provisional First Team Squad and First Team Squad and following any amendments during the season, a Club’s First Team Squad, where that Club is in Super League, must consist of:

a maximum of 7 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club Trained, Federation Trained or are working towards either classification.
a minimum of 7 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards that classification.
the remainder being made up of Club Trained, Federation Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards either classification.
B1:12B The following definitions shall apply to Clause B1:12A above:

‘Club Trained Player’: a player who has been on the Club’s register for any 3 full Seasons before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level. For the avoidance of doubt, from the 2010 Season onwards a player must satisfy the requirement to have been on the Club’s register for 3 full Seasons before being ineligible to play at Under 21 level in order to qualify as a ‘Club Trained Player’ and the fact that he may have qualified as a ‘Club Trained Player’ in the 2008 and/or 2009 Seasons shall be irrelevant.
‘Federation Trained Player’: a player who, for any 3 full Seasons [before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligible by age to play at Under 21 level has been on one of the Club’s register or the register of another Club being a member of the same rugby league Federation. For the avoidance of doubt if a player moves from one Club’s register to another Club’s register and there is a period of no more than 28 days in the Season (as defined) and any amount of the period between the 1 December and the day of the first League Match, Representative Match or Cup Tie (whichever is sooner) between being removed from one register and being registered with another Club, consecutively shall not be broken for the purposes of this clause. In addition a Club may apply for a Player who has been granted New Talent Pool status by the RSCM (see E1:5.12 below) to be granted Federation Trained status.
‘Academy Junior’: a player who is eligible by age to play at Under 21 level and who is on the Club’s Register.


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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:31 am  
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How will it grow the brand of super league by splitting half of the "elite" division and making them play small provincial part-time clubs.

It will totally devalue the Super League name.

If we took this year as example, how do you think Salford playing championship teams will pan out...a few 3 figure results or very close too me thinks


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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:47 am  
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Next year Top championship clubs have £1m s.c and super league has 1.6m s.c - super league can have 7 non-fed and championship 5.

Not the same, but similar enough for it to be competitive...


SL 1.825 million plus up to 100k England squad allowance

825,000 is a significant difference plus overseas signings difference.
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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:36 am  
What I like about the middle 8 is that it addresses the inherent flaw with straight P&R, ie. the assumption that the top of the lower division are better than the bottom of the higher division and thus deserve the place more. For Championship teams to be elevated above bottom SL sides they must demonstrate it on the field in the new system.
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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:07 pm  
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What I like about the middle 8 is that it addresses the inherent flaw with straight P&R, ie. the assumption that the top of the lower division are better than the bottom of the higher division and thus deserve the place more. For Championship teams to be elevated above bottom SL sides they must demonstrate it on the field in the new system.


There has never been that assumption. It is clear from when we did have p&r and the promoted team had to sign at least half a new team just to have any hope of being competitive that this isn't the case.
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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:20 pm  
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There has never been that assumption. It is clear from when we did have p&r and the promoted team had to sign at least half a new team just to have any hope of being competitive that this isn't the case.

Promoting one team and relegating another who have never played each other demonstrates the assumption within the system. Having to sign half a new team just to be competitive demonstrates that it's a flawed assumption.
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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:20 pm  
I very mch doubt p&r ever had anything to do with believing that the lower division club must be stronger than the top division club, certainly not in the SL era.
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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:54 pm  
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I very mch doubt p&r ever had anything to do with believing that the lower division club must be stronger than the top division club, certainly not in the SL era.

I'm not sure you've understood my point tbh. I'm not saying anything about what people believe.
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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:50 pm  
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I very mch doubt p&r ever had anything to do with believing that the lower division club must be stronger than the top division club, certainly not in the SL era.


No, promotion was a reward for finishing top of the second tier and an opportunity for the promoted club to ply it's trade at a higher level.
Being the sport of RL, this is not enough and we will soon have perpetual qualification for the top end of the Championship and lower end of Super League. :CRAZY:
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Re: the new structure finalized. : Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:45 pm  
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SL 1.825 million plus up to 100k England squad allowance

825,000 is a significant difference plus overseas signings difference.



But once again, will the team in last in SL actually be spending that 1,825,000

As some late season signings by Saints has shown. Even the top side has not been spending up to the cap limit.
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