Re: lets face it : Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:43 pm  

lemonhead wrote:

how to turn a simple game into one where you need a degree in brain surgery to understand it. Just watched Brisbane v Warriors in a tight exciting game where every player gave their all in front of over 37,000 - bring on playin Fev (or who ever it may be from the lower leagues) 5 times a year in front of 2000. I suppose that is progress...

Will Accrington Stanley be in the mix, if so it means that I am starting to understand the system.+++

Re: lets face it : Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:45 pm  

Pacific wrote:

Next season will be a lot more exciting. The new restructure will bring a higher percentage of competitive games. I know that Rugby fans seem to have a tendency to be negative about everything but the RFL do deserve credit for this as it will no doubt improve the competition(s).

Even if it looks like it does work, I'll lay odds that the RFL will bottle it in 5 or 6 years & dream up some other half-baked idea.
The franchise/licensing (whatever you call it) was starting to work. Would Cas be where they are now without it? would the French have as good a squad as they have with the support they routinely garner? All imponderables, but the experiment hadn't run its course before they decided to start fiddling & burned the paperwork. London & Bradford aren't victims of the system, they have been poorly run (on and off the field) for the last 10 years or so, and their demise was always when not if. What pillock was really responsible for thinking that setting up a league team next door to RFU headquarters was ever going to work?

The real problem is that we have an inept and incompetent game leadership who couldn't advertise ice-cream in Dubai & get it to sell.

Re: lets face it : Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:10 pm  

CyberPieMan wrote:

Even if it looks like it does work, I'll lay odds that the RFL will bottle it in 5 or 6 years & dream up some other half-baked idea.
The franchise/licensing (whatever you call it) was starting to work. Would Cas be where they are now without it? would the French have as good a squad as they have with the support they routinely garner? All imponderables, but the experiment hadn't run its course before they decided to start fiddling & burned the paperwork. London & Bradford aren't victims of the system, they have been poorly run (on and off the field) for the last 10 years or so, and their demise was always when not if. What pillock was really responsible for thinking that setting up a league team next door to RFU headquarters was ever going to work?

The real problem is that we have an inept and incompetent game leadership who couldn't advertise ice-cream in Dubai & get it to sell.

I don't want to go into a Meltdown but I do agree that the RFL doesn't have the best people running it. As people on here have said, it is run by 'careerists' who have only ever worked in Red Hall and have very little experience of business outside Leeds. This is my criticism. As Lenagen said, Blake Solly is just a kid who's good with the media but he is no way fit to run a competition which hopes to expand in coming years. The competition would be better run by someone with proven experience and success in the business world and not by someone who gets promotions by taking Nigel Wood cups of Tea to his desk.

[DaveO]

Re: lets face it : Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:18 am  

CyberPieMan wrote:

All imponderables, but the experiment hadn't run its course before they decided to start fiddling & burned the paperwork.

Hit the nail on the head.

[DaveO]

Re: lets face it : Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:27 am  

Grimmy wrote:

Aye not sure how ST system will work. No they haven't said it officially yet to be fair hope they don't go for the million pound game

Don't you see that as a problem though? I keep up with the RL media as I am sure you do but neither of us know the ins and outs of the 2015 competition.

It should be nailed down already. Looks totally amateurish it's not finalised already.

Re: lets face it : Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:26 am  

CyberPieMan wrote:

Even if it looks like it does work, I'll lay odds that the RFL will bottle it in 5 or 6 years & dream up some other half-baked idea.

Have they ever considered a novel and unique system where the team with the most points over the whole season (ie the best and most consistent team) is given the title champions? Throw in all the marketing currently spent on Magic, Exiles etc into a revitalised Challenge Cup.

The new system has the following serious flaws:

You play 30 regular rounds just to gain a home tie in the playoffs.
Too many games.
As you don't take points gained into the relegation group clubs already booked into the top 4 / bottom 4 will freewheel.
A team scraping into 7th / 8th after 23 rounds will have no chance of making the 4 and will become cannon fodder.
The dual reg scheme will be discredited as you could finish up in the same comp as your partners.
Teams in the relegation group playing under different salary caps.

Re: lets face it : Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:14 am  

Finfin wrote:

Have they ever considered a novel and unique system where the team with the most points over the whole season (ie the best and most consistent team) is given the title champions?

That was a previous experiment that was scrapped when the best team (Wigan) won it every year. Even the top 4 system is not so novel. It was the standard way of establishing champions until the 1970's when the First division was established with the team finishing top was declared champions.

Re: lets face it : Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:21 am  

nohalfbacks wrote:

That was a previous experiment that was scrapped when the best team (Wigan) won it every year.

And what's wrong with the best team winning it (and haven't one club dominated the current system over the last 8 years)?

Re: lets face it : Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:29 pm  

Finfin wrote:

Have they ever considered a novel and unique system where the team with the most points over the whole season (ie the best and most consistent team) is given the title champions? Throw in all the marketing currently spent on Magic, Exiles etc into a revitalised Challenge Cup.

The new system has the following serious flaws:

You play 30 regular rounds just to gain a home tie in the playoffs.
Too many games.
As you don't take points gained into the relegation group clubs already booked into the top 4 / bottom 4 will freewheel.
A team scraping into 7th / 8th after 23 rounds will have no chance of making the 4 and will become cannon fodder.
The dual reg scheme will be discredited as you could finish up in the same comp as your partners.
Teams in the relegation group playing under different salary caps.

You can draw up a similar list of flaws for the current system, or any other system we have had previously. Too many people are not willing to give the new system a chance and have written it off before it's started. No system is ever going to be perfect. At least the 2x12/3x8 system coming in next year means there will be more competitive games between the top sides and fewer games between top sides and whipping boys that are a forgone conclusion between a ball has been kicked. And it gets rid of this god awful top 8 playoff system that we currently have.

If we follow the pattern Leeds have done and all potential home games count on the season ticket, then next year we'll get 11 games against the current top 12, then instead of games against London and Bradford, we'll have either 3 or 4 games against top 8 opposition, surely that's better?

Re: lets face it : Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:47 pm  

WARRIORCRAIG wrote:

You can draw up a similar list of flaws for the current system, or any other system we have had previously. Too many people are not willing to give the new system a chance and have written it off before it's started. No system is ever going to be perfect. At least the 2x12/3x8 system coming in next year means there will be more competitive games between the top sides and fewer games between top sides and whipping boys that are a forgone conclusion between a ball has been kicked. And it gets rid of this god awful top 8 playoff system that we currently have.

If we follow the pattern Leeds have done and all potential home games count on the season ticket, then next year we'll get 11 games against the current top 12, then instead of games against London and Bradford, we'll have either 3 or 4 games against top 8 opposition, surely that's better?

Nail on the head! Loads of people will just moan regardless