Re: World club nines : Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:50 pm  

Buggo wrote:

HSBC, Addidas and Land Rover have what market share in Australia? (answer is not much) and what they have has frigg all to do with the Union Sevens its about the same thing across the Globe at the moment Price and bang for your buck.

Because I think the USA and be it Hawaii, LA or East Coast it would serve the game better in the long run.
League is not Union with the old Hong Kong Sevens.

Dubai would get no support from the NRL or its fans, I do not know why you think a League game played there would get any more backers or sponsorship than a game of Curling.

It must be something that English fans dream of a game in the middle East will sort it all out and the Sheiks will pour money into the game.

Dreamers.

Ah. I'm getting it now. What would only benefit Australia and the NRL. I see.

What on earth makes you think RL would be built in an area with no team in the national competition? It's utterly bizarre. If you were to have a 9's comp in the US it would be on the East Coast, where the majority of teams are.
In that case why have an Auckland 9's?

Christ on a bike. Do you think AP fans or Super 15 fans fly around the world watching 7's? Of course not. It's locals, ex-pats and holiday makers who attend. It also introduces Rugby Union to a part of the world that can't sustain 15 a side Rugby. I'll say it again, would HSBC or Cathay Pacific have got so involved with Union without the Hong Kong 7's?
2 massive global companies putting the kind of money and partnership in that ALL of RL, including your amazing, wonderful NRL, would only dream of.

Rugby Union has spread beyond its traditional borders. Partly because of the old boys network & compliant media but also partly because in the 70's, when RL was in-fighting and killing themselves for the next 30 years, Union was planning for the future. We have to start that process now. If we stay within our own borders we'll slowly wither and die bar a small enclave of die-yards. Even the NRL will in the future if Australian RL doesn't embrace the international game.

Re: World club nines : Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:47 pm  

Him wrote:

Ah. I'm getting it now. What would only benefit Australia and the NRL. I see.

What on earth makes you think RL would be built in an area with no team in the national competition? It's utterly bizarre. If you were to have a 9's comp in the US it would be on the East Coast, where the majority of teams are.
In that case why have an Auckland 9's?

Christ on a bike. Do you think AP fans or Super 15 fans fly around the world watching 7's? Of course not. It's locals, ex-pats and holiday makers who attend. It also introduces Rugby Union to a part of the world that can't sustain 15 a side Rugby. I'll say it again, would HSBC or Cathay Pacific have got so involved with Union without the Hong Kong 7's?
2 massive global companies putting the kind of money and partnership in that ALL of RL, including your amazing, wonderful NRL, would only dream of.

Rugby Union has spread beyond its traditional borders. Partly because of the old boys network & compliant media but also partly because in the 70's, when RL was in-fighting and killing themselves for the next 30 years, Union was planning for the future. We have to start that process now. If we stay within our own borders we'll slowly wither and die bar a small enclave of die-yards. Even the NRL will in the future if Australian RL doesn't embrace the international game.

But we don't have an old boys network or a compliant media. RL was in-fighting and killing itself long before the 1970's. The post war record crowds occurred when soccer also enjoyed big crowds, even county cricket enjoyed healthy tournouts.

Re: World club nines : Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:54 pm  

Just to qualify the "success" of the Auckland 9s......the city council essentially underwrite Te prize money and the promoters look after the financials. In £25 a ticket for 2 days they offered a brilliant 2 days entertainmet where NRL sides had to bring at least 3 of heir top 10 earners and played for a prize pool bigger than that of the NRL itself......
Having never been to Dubai, I will take it under advisement, but is be stunned if such an event would interest the NRL/RFL or clubs........7s does wel there because England/Australia/NZ/SA etc need nothing other than jingoistic rivalry.......NRL clubs are not supported in anything like the numbers needed to attract the same level of interest.

Re: World club nines : Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:11 pm  

Him wrote:

Ah. I'm getting it now. What would only benefit Australia and the NRL. I see.

What on earth makes you think RL would be built in an area with no team in the national competition? It's utterly bizarre. If you were to have a 9's comp in the US it would be on the East Coast, where the majority of teams are.
In that case why have an Auckland 9's?

Christ on a bike. Do you think AP fans or Super 15 fans fly around the world watching 7's? Of course not. It's locals, ex-pats and holiday makers who attend. It also introduces Rugby Union to a part of the world that can't sustain 15 a side Rugby. I'll say it again, would HSBC or Cathay Pacific have got so involved with Union without the Hong Kong 7's?
2 massive global companies putting the kind of money and partnership in that ALL of RL, including your amazing, wonderful NRL, would only dream of.

Rugby Union has spread beyond its traditional borders. Partly because of the old boys network & compliant media but also partly because in the 70's, when RL was in-fighting and killing themselves for the next 30 years, Union was planning for the future. We have to start that process now. If we stay within our own borders we'll slowly wither and die bar a small enclave of die-yards. Even the NRL will in the future if Australian RL doesn't embrace the international game.

Why would the NRL Clubs do something that has no benefit to them?
They are privately run Clubs or Clubs owned by investors, its called running a profitable business.

I will say it again, England should do far more to get France moving rather than silly novelty ideas in a place like Dubai.
Its just easier to try and spin dumb ideas like the "Dubai Nines" than it is to do the graft and hard work to get Englands neighbour building some real foundations and becoming a force in this great game.

I think this is going around in circles, I have said what I think, the rest can rummage through through the thread and have their say if they want.

Have a good one

Re: World club nines : Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:32 pm  

Buggo wrote:

, its called running a profitable business.

feel free to run through a list of any sporting clubs in any sport that are "profitable run businesses"...

Re: World club nines : Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:47 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

feel free to run through a list of any sporting clubs in any sport that are "profitable run businesses"...

Most of the NRL Clubs, and they invest those profits back into the game and community.

Re: World club nines : Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:27 am  

Buggo wrote:

Most of the NRL Clubs, and they invest those profits back into the game and community.

Rubbish, you have one NRL club making a decent profit. One or two who scrape a profit if they have a good year on the field, the rest losing money or reliant on league club grants to break even.

If koukash offered NRL clubs $500k appearance fee they would play where ever he told them to.

I still think dubai, Singapore, USA etc would be better suited to an international nines rather than a club nines. Needs a European club nines in place of magic weekend.

Re: World club nines : Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:48 am  

JB Down Under wrote:

Rubbish, you have one NRL club making a decent profit. One or two who scrape a profit if they have a good year on the field, the rest losing money or reliant on league club grants to break even.

If koukash offered NRL clubs $500k appearance fee they would play where ever he told them to.

I still think dubai, Singapore, USA etc would be better suited to an international nines rather than a club nines. Needs a European club nines in place of magic weekend.

The Leagues Clubs are part of the organisations except maybe for the Storm, Knights and the Titans.
Without the Rugby League teams there would be no Leagues Clubs or Pokies.
One of the major objectives of the Leagues Clubs is to generate income to financially fund the Team.

Do you think Koukash is likely or able to pay the NRL clubs 8 million in appearance fees?

I agree with your last sentence.

Re: World club nines : Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:51 am  

Buggo wrote:

Most of the NRL Clubs, and they invest those profits back into the game and community.

Wrong......most NRL clubs make losses.

Re: World club nines : Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:29 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Wrong......most NRL clubs make losses.

No they don't.

The Football teams may not show profits but the Clubs make money.
You would have to know the structure of each organisation and book keeping practices of each Club to know that.
I am pretty sure you are not privy to that information.
The Clubs are a partnership with their licensed Club who finance the team in the way of grants.
There is no way any Club wants to show a profit on the books to be taxed on it more than they are already taxed, the money has to travel down to its junior leagues and supporting structures, they are not there to show a profit.

They don't have to make money on just gate receipts, TV deals, sponsorships and Shirt sales, they have the financial backing of their business arm which brings in much of the revenue from the Clubs fans and guests.

Next you will be saying Penrith Panthers are going broke because its team can not get generate enough money.