[Kosh]

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:52 am  

mk_fc wrote:

If your so daft to think its working then let me explain...
Wales (Celtic Crusaders) The Franchise that didn't even last 3 Years .. Wish full thinking was that then ?
London - Oh don't get me started... Different name / Ground / both every couple of years.. alienates whatever fans they do have - would not have survived this long without the RL changing the rules for them ... finally been allowed to be relegated and it will do them the world fo good!
Bradford - The club that broke itself trying to maintain its franchise ... sad to see the relegated tbh.. but rather them the us..

What rules were changed for London and when did they previously finish in a relegation position?

Bradford broke themselves chasing silverware, not trying to maintain a franchise. It just took a few years and several incompetent management teams for it to play out.

Franchising was the correct way to go for the sport. Unfortunately the RFL cocked it up. P&R failed in the past and will fail again regardless of the shiny new structure being used to disguise it as something new and innovative.

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:18 am  

Does anyone know how long this experiment will go on before it is reviewed? I'm against it personally but it will certainly make things more interesting.

It occurs to me that it will make dual-registration deals controversial again.

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:15 am  

It's definitely better than licensing IMO. We can't keep having situations were a in is allowed to collapse and then reform at the same level. It's a joke.

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:17 am  

C for Cuckoo wrote:

Does anyone know how long this experiment will go on before it is reviewed? I'm against it personally but it will certainly make things more interesting.

It occurs to me that it will make dual-registration deals controversial again.

No idea. I imagine it will be tried out for at least two seasons to see if it's working or not. Mind you, knowing the RFL they'll just keep it going even if it isn't working. I have zero faith in them.

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:21 am  

Kosh wrote:

Like Fax and Leigh did when they were last in SL?

Leigh had one solitary season in SL in which they were awfully run and finished dead last after only two wins. That would happen to any team in any format.

When Fax were in the league, their crowds weren't far off ours. Crowds for the league were generally lower and they have a finished stadium now. I'd expect bigger crowds.

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:25 am  

Kosh wrote:

What rules were changed for London and when did they previously finish in a relegation position?

Bradford broke themselves chasing silverware, not trying to maintain a franchise. It just took a few years and several incompetent management teams for it to play out.

Franchising was the correct way to go for the sport. Unfortunately the RFL cocked it up. P&R failed in the past and will fail again regardless of the shiny new structure being used to disguise it as something new and innovative.

IIRC London has finished in the bottom 2 at least twice (but then again - we have once!)
They also have been allowed extra imports etc (tahts what I meant by the RL "Changing the rules")

What I am saying is that the franchising system is flawed and didn't work...

I happy to have relegation back, and although the 12x12 to 8x8x8 system seems a bit gimmicky, I think its at least better then what we had.

Not happy about the change to the challenge cup.. but can see why its been done... might mean we won't get knocked get fist round next year.. or get on TV a bit more

[Kosh]

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:28 am  

mk_fc wrote:

IIRC London has finished in the bottom 2 at least twice (but then again - we have once!)
They also have been allowed extra imports etc (tahts what I meant by the RL "Changing the rules")

London have never finished in a relegation spot before this season, and the rules have never been changed to rescue them.

The additional imports rule was agreed for ALL expansion clubs - even we benefited from it after the merger since we inherited Gateshead's allowance. It was a temporary exemption that expired after a set number of years and was agreed by the SL club chairmen. London's exemption ran out years ago.

So, no. The RFL have never changed the rules to rescue London or to specifically help them any more than any other expansion club. Neither have they made any changes that were not agreed by the SL club chairmen.

mk_fc wrote:

What I am saying is that the franchising system is flawed and didn't work...

The franchising system was not flawed - the implementation was. The RFL consistently ignored its own rules and overlooked warning signs when awarding franchises to favoured clubs. Had the rules been applied rigorously from the start then franchising would have worked.

I have no faith that the RFL will handle the new system any better than they did franchising. P&L didn't work the last time we tried it and it won't work this time either because we have the same incompetents in charge at both the RFL and many clubs.

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:50 am  

The franchising system was not flawed - the implementation was

So THIS franchising system was flawed? Correct? I also have little faith in the RFL... but what can we do as fans? except perhaps moan on forums!

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:20 am  

Tinkerman23 wrote:

I like it, only problem I see are a few cricket scores between bottom 4 sl, and top for championship, team finishing 9 in sl will probably demolish team finishing 4th in championship, no one wants to see those kind of games, maybe should of only had top 2 from championship

It's no different to the farcical current play off system in SL. Remember our embarrassing performance at Huddersfield last year? The play offs in SL should never have moved beyond the top five teams.

I like the new structure and should strengthen the entire league, sure it's confusing but is innovative and different. Just need to make sure we get back in the eight.

One thing I need clarifying, in the Qualifiers, there are seven games and the 9th / 10th from SL and 1st / 2nd from Championship get 4 home games and 3 away? Is that correct? Trying to work out what the maximum number of home games they'll be if we finish in the top 8 or in positions 9,10,11,12 next year.

Re: New Strutchure : Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:29 am  

As far as I can work it out the top 4 in Super League when the league splits get 4 home games and the teams that finish 9th and 10th get the 4 homes games in the"Qualifiers"