Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:03 pm  

Just keep Sykes and get Elima IMHO.

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:21 pm  

newwildcat wrote:

We don't know what remit they were given or whether any of their findings were swept under the carpet. If they were told to do a thorough audit and did not highlight their concerns, then I agree, but I think this is unlikely.

It's true, we dont know but, they did receive a loan from the RFL last season and the RFL then took over the lease on Odsal due to non payment of the loan. Therefore, regardless of the findings during the licensing process, I think its fair to say the RFL knew the true picture but, at the time it would have been unthinkable to "demote" the Bulls and allow Halifax to be promoted.
Even with the benefit of hindsight, it would have been a very difficult call.

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:39 pm  

I wouldn't want Burgess anyways, he's useless. He was only on the pitch 5mins on Sunday and was blowing out of his booty. And please please please don't let me see the headline " Jeffries Returns To Wildcats"

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:48 pm  

Wakefieldite wrote:

You don't suppose its c*s do you? Duringthe Wigan v Widnes match last night. I heardEddie Hemmings mentioning about c*s hsving some "off field traumas" while promoting next Monday's live Sky match between c*s and Widnes.

I thought they were referring to Chase and the 'want away' Daryl Clark? - though who actually knows what's going on in the boardrooms and accountants offices of any of the clubs? I feel really sorry for the Bulls fans - when it happened to us it was the most depressing and worrying (Rugby related) time.

If Hemmings, Stephenson and the Statistics Bore of Bolton go on much more about how the franchise system is the best thing since sliced bread, I may just have to start watching the televised matches with the sound off! It seems, in simple terms to the fan on the terraces that "It Isn't Working!!!!" and if we carry on like this we'll have a number of great stadia but far fewer good Rugby teams left to play in them. And if a club does go under? Do the RL dole out a franchise/licence to the highest bidder with a nice stadium - or to a team that can play a good game of Rugby?

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:59 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It's true, we dont know but, they did receive a loan from the RFL last season and the RFL then took over the lease on Odsal due to non payment of the loan. Therefore, regardless of the findings during the licensing process, I think its fair to say the RFL knew the true picture but, at the time it would have been unthinkable to "demote" the Bulls and allow Halifax to be promoted.
Even with the benefit of hindsight, it would have been a very difficult call.

I think they are more than aware of the state of the game this is their monster and as long as they keep the truth locked away in the red hall cellar and away from the non biased media, sky can keep the illusion going.
The game is in tatters!!!

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:03 pm  

Thing is if bulls do get kicked out then that's less revenue and people involved in the game which can't be good and will have a knock on effect on other clubs. From a selfish perspective I'm glad we got our home game with them before they go pop.

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:10 pm  

I don't agree that the game is in tatters. It's just that one club decided to run itself at a level it couldn't afford. It is notable that there has been no attempt to recoup money by selling assets, i.e., players, and it seems that the Bulls club wants its cake and eat it. It wants to put a top drawer team on the park, regardless of whether or not it can afford it.

The situation in each club has been different. Crusaders were saddled with debts accrued by the previous owner. We were hit for six by the decision to call in the ground for PI, as otherwise we would have received a payment that would have sorted the tax bill out. Bulls have been relying on crowds of 10,000 that only bring in gate receipts as if there were 4,000, due to the cut prces.

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:26 pm  

You've got to feel for the Bradford fans, we've been there and it isn't nice. I don't wish Admin on any club regardless of what a small minority of opposing fans might say. I have to say, i'm rather disappointed with the previous management who knew the trouble and didn't even try and recoup some funds via transfers and/or loans.

They've overspent on their cap knowingly and for that reason i'd make a move for Brett Kearney & Elima

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:09 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

I don't agree that the game is in tatters. It's just that one club decided to run itself at a level it couldn't afford. It is notable that there has been no attempt to recoup money by selling assets, i.e., players, and it seems that the Bulls club wants its cake and eat it. It wants to put a top drawer team on the park, regardless of whether or not it can afford it.

The situation in each club has been different. Crusaders were saddled with debts accrued by the previous owner. We were hit for six by the decision to call in the ground for PI, as otherwise we would have received a payment that would have sorted the tax bill out. Bulls have been relying on crowds of 10,000 that only bring in gate receipts as if there were 4,000, due to the cut prces.

It's not the Bulls in isolation Slugger, there are big financial conserns at many clubs, either the image rights issue, the need for a benefactor, clubs living beyond their means, falling fowl of HMRC etc etc.
The constant in all this is the RFL overseeing all this.
Any club could go pop at any time and I wouldn't be surprised, that isn't what SL promised and the licensing and independent auditing tells us.
We only find out about these problems when something goes wrong and at some point the RFL are waste deep in the Shizen or have gone some way to cause it or cover it up.
SL is not only in tatters it also through trying to portray itself to be some kind of achievable best practice eutopia, encourages clubs to over reach and thus cause themselves and end up in difficulty, and unable to get out of it.
It lacks honesty and transparency and the RFL and sky peddle the lie.

Re: DULLS IN ADMIN : Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:35 pm  

newwildcat wrote:

It stinks TBH. Hardworking people have stumped up cash to prop them up and then a couple of weeks later another financial black hole opens up. Either the management were incompetant bordering on negligent when they asked fans for that cash or they knew perfectloy well that the cash would release them from any PGs they had entered and were out to save their own necks. Perhaps if the cash had gone in to some kind of supporters trust rather than being gifted to the club, they'd have been able to salvage something out of this mess.

I agree totally appalling. I was aghast at the appeal. My Hull supporting mate even chucked money in at their game at the KC; I told him he was nuts. A failing sports club is NOT A CHARITY. It was a disgusting abuse of people's good will and love for their club and, as suspected, was also a waste of time. Shame on all concerned and the RFL for allowing it to happen.