Re: Squad for Salford away : Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:27 pm  

Salford Squad

Fages
Rapira
Evalds
Sa'u
Johnson
Tasi
Chase
J Walne
Walton
Locke
Owen
Caton-Brown
Ashurst
Puletua
Hansen
Morley
J Griffin
Tomkins
D Griffin

Re: Squad for Salford away : Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:38 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Considering the Hull KR performance he should tell us what Walters has also.

Based on so far this year, if they were to continue the same, would probably overtake, but you are only as good as your last match for judging now.

Ward has been distinctly average all season long.

The vastly less experienced Walters has shone much brighter, even with a couple of expected rookie errors. His upside has been greater.

Minchella in his brief 1st team efforts has been no less average than Ward and when you compare minutes on the field that puts Michella ahead. Plus, and this may have been you who said it, quality efforts at Academy level should be rewarded at 1st team level when those ahead of you are not performing.

Also, it might actually do Ward the world of good to step out for a few weeks.

Re: Squad for Salford away : Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:11 pm  

perhaps G, but i don't think using him as a second row battering ram has done him any favours either

Re: Squad for Salford away : Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:34 pm  

Think we pretty much know what the starting 13 for the Cup semi will be (assume JJB will be starting by that time after a few games for fitness).

With Burrow or Aiton getting one of the bench spots that leaves 3 spots up for grabs and two more games for those to stake a claim between the following of Sutcliffe, Bailey, Singleton, Walters, Ward, Minchella. Also Achurch might get a chance next week.

Really hopeful Singleton plays this week in a style of having a point to prove.

Re: Squad for Salford away : Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:38 pm  

G1 wrote:

Ward has been distinctly average all season long.

The vastly less experienced Walters has shone much brighter, even with a couple of expected rookie errors. His upside has been greater.

Minchella in his brief 1st team efforts has been no less average than Ward and when you compare minutes on the field that puts Michella ahead. Plus, and this may have been you who said it, quality efforts at Academy level should be rewarded at 1st team level when those ahead of you are not performing.

Also, it might actually do Ward the world of good to step out for a few weeks.

Not sure why you responded to my post when I was quite clear with what was in it, as to why I said what I said.

To be clear, you are only as good as your last match. Walters was absolutely woeful against Hull KR. Hence last match. By contrast, Ward, whilst as you put it average, has still being one of the better performers over last few matches.

However, I also said, if both were to continue like this season, going forward, Walters would overtake Ward in the order. Perhaps if Ward was allowed to develop to his skill set, we might see a difference to that though.

Re: Squad for Salford away : Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:21 pm  

Ward was rubbish against Cas, and Walters and Minchella were superb for the U19s. Personally, I would drop Ward for the rest of the season and give him chance to develop physically over the next 6 months in time for next season because he clearly isn't ready physically to perform the role currently being expected of him.

Re: Squad for Salford away : Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:27 pm  

CS- Ward never was and never has been the type of player to "perform the role expected of him".
He isn't a battering ram BR and certainly isn't a "crash ball" forward either that imo falls firmly at the Coaches door.
Put him in the u19's and he would rip it apart just as he did at 17 he is & should be utilised as a ball playing 13.

Re: Squad for Salford away : Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:39 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Not sure why you responded to my post

Coz it's a message board. That's what we do. Durgh.

To be clear, you are only as good as your last match.

A cliche and not correct in any shape or form. Is Sinfield only as good as his last match?

Walters was absolutely woeful against Hull KR

You keep saying that. I don't think he was.

By contrast, Ward, whilst as you put it average, has still being one of the better performers over last few matches.

In your opinion. I think he's been very consistent all season long. Consistently average. He's been nowhere near one of our better performers, IMO.

Perhaps if Ward was allowed to develop to his skill set, we might see a difference to that though.

I'd like to see that happen because he's being asked to play a role that simply doesn't showcase his talents.

Re: Squad for Salford away : Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:20 am  

rhinoms wrote:

CS- Ward never was and never has been the type of player to "perform the role expected of him".
He isn't a battering ram BR and certainly isn't a "crash ball" forward either that imo falls firmly at the Coaches door.
Put him in the u19's and he would rip it apart just as he did at 17 he is & should be utilised as a ball playing 13.

He certainly isn't a battering ram 2nd row at the moment but whether he plays in the 2nd row or at LF he will still have to make 30-40 tackles a game which at the moment he's not physically good enough to do. At the moment he's missing 5-10 tackles a game and that's not good enough. It's clear the club see him as 2nd rower long term and I think Sutcliffe will be the loose forward for Leeds long term, but he will have to improve his defence also.
Ward has to frame to develop and put on a stone or 2, and I'm sure he'll be a quality 2nd row in the Greg Bird mould.

Re: Squad for Salford away : Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:52 am  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

He certainly isn't a battering ram 2nd row at the moment but whether he plays in the 2nd row or at LF he will still have to make 30-40 tackles a game which at the moment he's not physically good enough to do. At the moment he's missing 5-10 tackles a game and that's not good enough. It's clear the club see him as 2nd rower long term and I think Sutcliffe will be the loose forward for Leeds long term, but he will have to improve his defence also.
Ward has to frame to develop and put on a stone or 2, and I'm sure he'll be a quality 2nd row in the Greg Bird mould.

........Or maybe it's more McDermott trying to accommodate him, whilst he prefers to adopt the policy of selecting a 3rd prop at LF?

The lad is clearly struggling with the role asked of him and that is unfair. I hope he is given a chance to fulfill his potential as an apparent ball handling LF at another club if not this. With Sutcliffe also seemingly better suited to a similar LF role it will be interesting to see which prevails.
Personally I would try a run with Sutcliffe at SO; Burrow at SH; Sinfield at hooker and Ward at LF. Aiton on the bench.