Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:07 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I believe the u19s is being restructured next year, with 10 "elite" academy's making up the first division and the rest after. The 10 elite will recieve a bigger slice of the development pie, and have knock on affects with how the clubs operate. The other clubs will still be expected to run an academy, but on a shoe string budget (obviously).

Whether or not bulls are in the top division depends on whether they are one of the magic 10

Hope that's not true. How do the RFL define the magic 10? Academy league table position? If that's it we're screwed as we're currently bottom. Or do they go who's producing the best academy players?

Why does everything have everything have to be complicated and controversial with the RFL.

Dual Reg surely has to be scrapped next year, so we could have players too old to play for u19s not playing at all. Or will academy's be U21's? Criminal stuff like this isn't sorted yet. Sure we'll have another club vote on it though with extra finding

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:23 pm  

Bull Mania wrote: Hope that's not true. How do the RFL define the magic 10? Academy league table position? If that's it we're screwed as we're currently bottom. Or do they go who's producing the best academy players? Why does everything have everything have to be complicated and controversial with the RFL. Dual Reg surely has to be scrapped next year, so we could have players too old to play for u19s not playing at all. Or will academy's be U21's? Criminal stuff like this isn't sorted yet. Sure we'll have another club vote on it though with extra finding For that, I have no idea. Having said that, I've read (yet another) set of rules coming in, so I may be wrong (but it has the same set of questions you raise): http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... t-centres/

Bull Mania wrote: Hope that's not true. How do the RFL define the magic 10? Academy league table position? If that's it we're screwed as we're currently bottom. Or do they go who's producing the best academy players? Why does everything have everything have to be complicated and controversial with the RFL. Dual Reg surely has to be scrapped next year, so we could have players too old to play for u19s not playing at all. Or will academy's be U21's? Criminal stuff like this isn't sorted yet. Sure we'll have another club vote on it though with extra finding For that, I have no idea. Having said that, I've read (yet another) set of rules coming in, so I may be wrong (but it has the same set of questions you raise): http://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... t-centres/

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:44 am  

Nothus wrote:

I think you, and a few others in this thread, are getting a bit ahead of yourselves here. Widnes have just beaten Warrington last week, and until last Saturday Wakey were on a 5 game unbeaten run.
Nobody has any idea how the finished 2015 squads will shape up, or who will end up in the bottom 4 of SL / top 4 of SL2.

To assume we will be in with a shout come the end of 2015 regular season is just setting yourself up for a fall. We've barely even been relegated and some are already talking of beating Wakey to get back up!

The teams above us have had the luxury this season of being protected from relegation (it being obvious for some time that London and the Bulls would go down) and being able to focus on making the play offs. They're playing without too much pressure. It could be a different matter if one of them becomes detached at the bottom of SL next season. At the moment it seems very unlikely that a Championship club could beat one of the teams currently in the 9-12th positions. But its possible that at least one of those clubs will be in decline in 12 months time.

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:52 am  

If true that the top 4-5 in the Championship will be full time I don't think the gap between the top 4 and the 4 bottom SL1 clubs will be as wide as some are expecting. The advantage we might have over some is we'll still be full time so won't have to get used to that environment.

[Bulliac]

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:00 am  

Cibaman wrote:

The teams above us have had the luxury this season of being protected from relegation (it being obvious for some time that London and the Bulls would go down) and being able to focus on making the play offs. They're playing without too much pressure. It could be a different matter if one of them becomes detached at the bottom of SL next season. At the moment it seems very unlikely that a Championship club could beat one of the teams currently in the 9-12th positions. But its possible that at least one of those clubs will be in decline in 12 months time.

Indeed. Also, with relegation being on the agenda, it would be no surprise to see clubs going into panic mode and overspending towards the back end of the season, so financial problems could easily sort out who might get relegated. With the current punishment being 6 points and half the sponsorship money for two years [and who knows, it may well go up] and with those fines being carried over to new owners, I can see a few of the lower end clubs being put under extreme pressure to continue at all.

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:08 pm  

Afaik the half sponsorship for two years was only applied to khan. It isn't a standard punishment. It wasn't applied to Green. He's just suffering affects of second year of khans punishment.

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:10 pm  

Duckman wrote:

Actually that's wrong. I was making the point about a middle 8 playoff between this seasons sl and this seasons championship. With the point being that the massive insurmountable gap that apparently exists according to some and people of a glass half empty persuasion, would, IMHO, be bridgeable by Leigh - this season. So if Leigh could possibly do it this season, why can't somebody do it next season? Anything could happen.

And i have no problem thinking about potentially being in top 4 next season, and looking how we might get back up. You can bet that's how jimmy will be thinking! I'm fed up of being miserable and thinking the worst, I'm looking for the positives and I don't care. COYB.

But it is a bit misleading isnt it to look at Bradford and London as 2 of the 'SL' representatives in that league when they have been nowhere near SL level.

Leigh to London is a much smaller gap than Leigh to Hull or Leigh to Hull KR.

[Bullseye]

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:12 pm  

Could be interesting times ahead for clubs in the promotion/relegation zone as yo-yoing between the two leagues can have massive implications for clubs and owners. Cloth is going to have to be cut a multitude of ways to cater for the two alternative scenarios.

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:39 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

But it is a bit misleading isnt it to look at Bradford and London as 2 of the 'SL' representatives in that league when they have been nowhere near SL level.

Leigh to London is a much smaller gap than Leigh to Hull or Leigh to Hull KR.

Well yes, I was just showing an example using this year (as the latest available league table data) to show its not impossible, yes the Bulls and London have not been up to scratch, but that might equally be true of whoever is bottom next year, for whatever reason as yet unknown. If one club could be seen to have a chance in one year, why not another club in another year?

Also, Leigh will be stronger next season than this due if only to going full time -as the Bulls and London will be, and the funding and cap available gap between the leagues, whilst still huge, is not quite as massive as it was this year. Its not an exact guess of course with no-one able to see into the future, and it might well turn out that the 4 SL sides win out in the middle 8, but I'm merely pointing out that IMHO I dont think its the forlorn hope some seem to think it is.

Re: How does promotion work in Championship? : Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:21 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Could be interesting times ahead for clubs in the promotion/relegation zone as yo-yoing between the two leagues can have massive implications for clubs and owners. Cloth is going to have to be cut a multitude of ways to cater for the two alternative scenarios.

No doubt the advocates of P&R will blame the convoluted system rather than the principle when teams hit the panic button.