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Re: Widnes fans : Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:45 pm  
First time I watched the video, it looked pretty bad. Watched it another couple of times though and it does look like the guy has hold of the steward so the steward is trying to punch the guy's arms to get free of him. Kind of like in games when you see a player strike the arm of another player who has hold of his shirt or arm but obviously this looks more aggressive. Not as bad as I first thought though.
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Re: Widnes fans : Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:54 pm  
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Salford never went bust.

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Re: Widnes fans : Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:07 pm  
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GT wrote:
Salford never went bust.

You'll never succeed using things like facts on here


Not exactly sure what franchising / financial instability of clubs has to do with the actions of certain ' richard craniums ' :?:

over the years 30+ I've seen the odd fracas involving most teams fans* SL & Championship or supporters purporting to be clubs fans. mainly beer inspired spats

I've seen nothing to dispel my faith in RL as a sport that doesn't need segregation , with fans that are vociferous in support of their club but also approachable and add to the experience .

It's not just SL :- far worse
brawling at suburban rugby league matches.
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GT wrote:
Salford never went bust.

You'll never succeed using things like facts on here


Not exactly sure what franchising / financial instability of clubs has to do with the actions of certain ' richard craniums ' :?:

over the years 30+ I've seen the odd fracas involving most teams fans* SL & Championship or supporters purporting to be clubs fans. mainly beer inspired spats

I've seen nothing to dispel my faith in RL as a sport that doesn't need segregation , with fans that are vociferous in support of their club but also approachable and add to the experience .

It's not just SL :- far worse
brawling at suburban rugby league matches.
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Re: Widnes fans : Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:48 pm  
How could 3 of them not pull this guy off the barrier? Give me a break, he has gone totally overboard. Widnes arent clean in any of this but neither are the stewards. I'm sure they're alright blokes out of work but when they are in work and in the many times i've been to Warrington games on the very few occasions its happened they do tend to make things escalate from something minor.
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Re: Widnes fans : Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:58 pm  
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The 'fan' is holding the barrier, the punches are to the top of his arms. That would be deemed 'reasonable force'.
Just because he's a gripper doesn't mean anything besides I wish it had been his face, if cowardly scum want to kick off in groups at matches they might think twice if they thought they'd get a few smacks around the face.
Ask yourself this, the steward is surrounded by police, do you not think he's not aware of that, he's trained and given a proportionate of legal backing to use force. These guys might look dumb but they not what they are doing and how to do it.

They did a sterling job in my opinion on this occasion.

How did you work that out? Regardless of whether he intended to go beyond "reasonable force" or not he caused more people to get involved, not quite crowd control. From my spec on the half way line it looked awful and as a representative of the club it simply isn't good enough.
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Re: Widnes fans : Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:13 pm  
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How did you work that out? Regardless of whether he intended to go beyond "reasonable force" or not he caused more people to get involved, not quite crowd control. From my spec on the half way line it looked awful and as a representative of the club it simply isn't good enough.


So the guy holding the barrier refusing to be ejected, just holds on?
You've proven time abd and again on the wire forum that you live in student liberal not the real world land. What do yoi expect him to do?
Ask yourself this, if the police don't charge the steward doesn't that say that they deemed his actions as correct?

Force is sometimes deemed necessary whether you agree or not, welcome to the horrible real world and bad side of human nature.
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Re: Widnes fans : Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:45 pm  
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The 'fan' is holding the barrier, the punches are to the top of his arms. That would be deemed 'reasonable force'.
Just because he's a gripper doesn't mean anything besides I wish it had been his face, if cowardly scum want to kick off in groups at matches they might think twice if they thought they'd get a few smacks around the face.
Ask yourself this, the steward is surrounded by police, do you not think he's not aware of that, he's trained and given a proportionate of legal backing to use force. These guys might look dumb but they not what they are doing and how to do it.

They did a sterling job in my opinion on this occasion.


Are you and Mikej taking the mickey? Whatever the Widnes fan did, did not endorse somebody who is paid to keep order to assault him.

You pair would make poop Olympic boxing judges as the majority of those punches were points scorers. What about the last two or three when he was 2-3 yards away from the first assault took place. Was he still holding onto the barrier and/or the stewards arm then?

You can't see what you want to see. No right minded individual can condone the reported behaviour of some Widnes fans or the actions of that 'steward' no matter where your allegiances lie.

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Re: Widnes fans : Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:50 pm  
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So the guy holding the barrier refusing to be ejected, just holds on?
You've proven time abd and again on the wire forum that you live in student liberal not the real world land. What do yoi expect him to do?
Ask yourself this, if the police don't charge the steward doesn't that say that they deemed his actions as correct?

Force is sometimes deemed necessary whether you agree or not, welcome to the horrible real world and bad side of human nature.

Not quite sure how you worked that one out? I'd love to know so a quick PM would be much appreciated? Let's be clear, the Widnes 'fan' (I use the term loosely) was completely out of order, he deserves to have the book thrown at him by the Magistrates next month. If he got a few knocks on third day he undoubtedly deserved it. However we do not live in a society where bouncers, or anyone for that matter can take the law into their own hands. I'm no liberal but I am a big believer in the rule of law.

There are videos on the Internet of one steward last year being restrained by his colleagues and policemen. Even it you believe a man should be above the law the minute he puts a hi-viz vest on, you cannot deny it does the reputation of the club no good. If the police/CPS decide the man's actions were hustified then I respect that. However as far as I'm concerned he can stick to Bridge Street and give the HJ a miss.
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Re: Widnes fans : Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:33 pm  
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Are you and Mikej taking the mickey? Whatever the Widnes fan did, did not endorse somebody who is paid to keep order to assault him.

You pair would make poop Olympic boxing judges as the majority of those punches were points scorers. What about the last two or three when he was 2-3 yards away from the first assault took place. Was he still holding onto the barrier and/or the stewards arm then?

You can't see what you want to see. No right minded individual can condone the reported behaviour of some Widnes fans or the actions of that 'steward' no matter where your allegiances lie.

Get a grip for loves sake


Not trying to take the mickey. I just pointed out that this video gave me a different viewpoint from WHAT APPEARED to happen on the night and also the original comments made about the incident. In my earlier comment I did actually say that the clubs and if required the police were the best people to decide what action, if any, was necessary.
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Re: Widnes fans : Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:01 pm  
http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... d_trouble/

Two charged, 1 bailed pending enquiries, 2 fixed penalty notices and Cheshire Police confirmed they are aware of the "steward footage" on the internet and that officer are reviewing all available evidence........ I think the word ALL here is pertinent. let the professional make the decision about what is/isnt required to happen.
http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/new ... d_trouble/

Two charged, 1 bailed pending enquiries, 2 fixed penalty notices and Cheshire Police confirmed they are aware of the "steward footage" on the internet and that officer are reviewing all available evidence........ I think the word ALL here is pertinent. let the professional make the decision about what is/isnt required to happen.
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