Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:34 pm  

try scorer wrote:

Don't think there will be many on here think that walshaw and wildie would turn things round but if the first 17 arnt performing surely that means giving others a chance and on the basis of your post you must agree with agar on who are our first 17

I don't agree with large parts of what RA has done this season with regard to selection and I've said as much on several other threads; the point I'm making here though, is that the team that has been selected has been capable of winning some of the matches they've lost; and has been capable of staving off some of the drubbings they've received. I'm not sure what the answer is - but there does seem to be a leadership issue; and that includes selection and player management.

All of that said - I don't see Matty Wildie as anything other than a rotation hooker; he's not good enough to play 7 at SL level. And Lucas Walshaw is a big, steady lad, but he's not going to set SL on fire either - whether that's because of the failures of the last regime, or this one, or the players themselves, is up for debate; that's actual debate mind, not mindlessly droning on about how your knowledge is superior to everyone else.

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:46 pm  

I think what sticks in peoples craw is the fact that whilst the likes of Wildie & Walshaw may not be world beaters they have done a decent job in the few chances they have got under Agar. Yet certain players who constantly offer nothing or makes countless mistakes get picked week in week out. The bias is plain to see and quite frankly most fans have had a gut full of it.

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:13 pm  

bren2k wrote:

What's the difference between being brought in then rested, and being used to fill in then dropped?

Is it just the perception of fans? I would suggest that if we weren't getting hammered every week, we as fans wouldn't be looking down into the darkest recesses of the squad list, clutching at straws for an answer to our problems; or lamenting the loss of players who despite their apparent value, have yet to secure a SL berth.

The first 17 are under-performing - that's the reality; Matty Wildie and Lucas Walshaw won't solve that.

The difference is they are being groomed a few games at a time, educated into the match day and game set up, this happens over a period of time, younger players need more recovery time at SL level.

We just use and drop them has and when its needed.

Thats not my first 17 Bren thats Agars.

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:29 pm  

Walshaw is certainly taking his opportunity

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:32 pm  

On the bright side were not being pumped by wigan's kids

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:34 pm  

Walshaw getting big wraps from the commentators

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:37 pm  

Wakefield starting lineup
20 Sammut
2 Fox
1 Mathers
22 Walshaw
31 Riley
6 Sykes
29 Siejka
10 Raleigh
9 McShane
30 Scruton
15 Ryan
13 Washbrook
23 Smith

Wakefield Substitutes
7 Godinet
8 Anderson
16 Moore
26 Molloy

Good that Walshaw is getting a chance and sounds as if he's taking it at centre.

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:40 pm  

Unfortunately we have given the giants 12 points. We never learn

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:09 pm  

I would give t under 19s captain a go great workhorse anddoes everything right l m o

Re: Opportunity for young lads : Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:12 pm  

El Rey wrote:

The difference is they are being groomed a few games at a time, educated into the match day and game set up, this happens over a period of time, younger players need more recovery time at SL level.

We just use and drop them has and when its needed.

Thats not my first 17 Bren thats Agars.

It was a genuine question Al - I don't know if that's what's happening to our lads, or not; on the surface, it seems that the two things are broadly the same, but I accept that the small details are important.

For clarity - it's not mine either; my first 17 wouldn't have Washbrook anywhere near it, neither would it have Sammut anywhere other than at 6.