Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:04 am  

Harrigan wrote:

How many were "at the cricket" because on every picture or video I have seen of the game there looks to be more like 17k/18k than 14k there.

14/15K would be about right. The west stand was very patchy.

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:49 am  

Harrigan wrote:

How many were "at the cricket" because on every picture or video I have seen of the game there looks to be more like 17k/18k than 14k there.

There were about 3,000 at the cricket

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:04 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Well you know what people can be like on here when they don't like a player.

Apparently he was anonymous yet somehow snuck his way around to 30 tackles with 11 marker tackles. He's made 161 tackles in his last 5 games at an average of 32.2 per game with only 4 missed tackles in total......dreadful. Admittedly he could be doing a bit more/better in offence but the usual OTT reaction on here is to be sadly expected.

Bailey is still young. His go forward is similar to McGuire's at least. He has not yet reached his peak as a prop.. .. Cough!

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:43 am  

nantwichexile wrote:

Do you simply always like to play devil's advocate?.

Yes.

nantwichexile wrote:

Hardaker can be entrusted to always make a good fist of a one on one tackle.....BJB is a talented individual but his one on one tackling has about the same chance of success and parity as one Mr.Webb before him.

No. Not "always" he doesn't.

Bish will not mind being compared to one of the all time great fullbacks when fit. I think it a bit churlish to suggest BJB's 3 misses against Salford were any worse than the 33 that our other players missed which included 4 by your "entrusted" Hardaker.

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:46 am  

What exactly are you trying to argue here?

Hardaker is the best defensive back we have, bar none. That is the simple truth. So if you are trying to suggest otherwise you are being silly.

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:12 am  

Gotcha wrote:

What exactly are you trying to argue here?

Hardaker is the best defensive back we have, bar none. That is the simple truth. So if you are trying to suggest otherwise you are being silly.

The discussion was about Bish missing 3 Tackles. Hardaker has been in outstanding form this season and his game is based on strong physicality which includes tackling. However he has some improvement to do on his defensive positional sense.

I don't want to upset your boozing chum but I think there is a good case to say that both Watkins and Moon are better defenders than Hardaker. By the way has Hardaker got over his missed holiday in some sunny bar or is he still a bit peeved?

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:35 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Well you know what people can be like on here when they don't like a player.

Apparently he was anonymous yet somehow snuck his way around to 30 tackles with 11 marker tackles. He's made 161 tackles in his last 5 games at an average of 32.2 per game with only 4 missed tackles in total......dreadful. Admittedly he could be doing a bit more/better in offence but the usual OTT reaction on here is to be sadly expected.

People attacking a player based on number of carries need to understand the game is far more about more than just carrying the ball, its about doing the job you've been asked to do, rather than the number on your back. 4 carries is low, but 30 tackles more than makes up for it.

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:19 pm  

If a forward does a 20 minute spell and during that spell their team only has 30-40% of possession, then their opportunity to make carries is going to be reduced but they'll probably have to make more tackles.

There's more to it than "X is lazy".

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:24 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If a forward does a 20 minute spell and during that spell their team only has 30-40% of possession, then their opportunity to make carries is going to be reduced but they'll probably have to make more tackles.

There's more to it than "X is lazy".

Actually, to be fair, that is a very valid point with regards Bailey on Monday. Didn't he come on at 16 minutes? I think from about 25 minutes to half time, it was all Salford with the ball.

Re: Leeds go Top after a Third of the Season : Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:28 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

I think there is a good case to say that both Watkins and Moon are better defenders than Hardaker.

Watkins has always been a poor reader of play and makes numerous wrong decisions on defence especially when defending 2/3 men in. McDermott I believe recognised this issue and sought to help him improve by moving him in to fourth man.

If Watkins were to ever fancy a go in the NRL he would IMO need to show a quantum improvement in his defensive reads to not be mercilessly exposed on a weekly basis.