Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:24 pm  

Horatio Yed wrote:

It's different and you now full well, it's not about shame it's about growing a product beyond its traditonal boundaries.

Do you think we should persevere with the Lancs/Yorks game?

Who do i support then being from Cheshire? Lancashire because they are the closest?

Whearabouts in Warrington are you from? If you were from somewhere in the North (mostly) of the town then you are actually from Lancashire. Interestingly, Wilderspool is in Cheshire whilst the Halliwell Jones is in Lancashire. So even if you are from the South of the town, then it's not too much of a stretch to support Lancashire as that is where your club is based.

NB: I know postal addresses and the like will claim the whole of Warrington is in Cheshire but that's only for administrative and council purposes. The original counties still exist.

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:35 pm  

simple solution:

gingers v non-gingers

gingers have that siege mentality because we are constantly under attack by snide remarks

non-gingers apparently have a problem with us so could get firey

gingers would proper get behind the lads like riley, farrell etc (i reckon graham would even come back to throw his weight behind it)

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:27 am  

Lancashire V Yorkshire comes up constantly, but the last time it was played it was a complete flop. Do people conveniently forget that? It's a fair comment too about some people now feeling little connection to Lancashire because they've grown up with their address as either Cheshire, Greater Manchester or Merseyside. Indeed correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any professional RL club now plays within the county of Lancashire under its redefined borders.

I have no problem with it appearing parochial because its a simple fact that RL in England IS an M62 corridor sport, and I'm a strong advocate of playing to our strengths, but I don't see Lancs V Yorks as the answer at all.

I'm very much club before country and regard most international sport as a complete waste of time, but the one thing I did used to enjoy was the ashes series between Great Britain and Australia where the Aussies came over during the season and played three tests and a few games against the clubs over the course of six weeks or so. For that to happen now the seasons run concurrently in the two countries though clubs would have to agree to their selected players being taken from them for two months while they still played without them a la cricket and rugby union with their central contracts.

Is that remotely workable? I hate the idea of Warrington being weakened at any point by giving our best players to GB, but its the only form of international RL I can imagine being remotely bothered with. Let's face it, the Aussies coming here in June/July and playing three tests V GB and exhibition matches V the cream of Super League once every four years, and GB doing the same there in between making it a bi annual event would be ten times more exciting than the current end of season tag on that the international season currently is. It has a very obvious drawback though as I've already mentioned.

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:21 am  

wiretilidie08 wrote:

just for a bit of fun. After watching that poor game on saturday night this game has been talked about as making a return but who would you have as your teams;

Lancashire
tomkins
riley
ratchford
shenton
charnley
briers
myler
mossop
roby
Morley
hock
wilkin
o'loughlin

yorkshire
ben jones bishop
hall
atkins
watkins
briscoe
sinfield
chase
Carvell
burrow
peacock
westwood
jjb
watts

thats just a quick 5 minute guess. either way that match would be far better than watching England v Exiles

Wilkin is from Hull
Shenton is from Pontefract
Watkins is from Gorton in Manchester
Sinfield is from Oldham
and can Chase really be a yorkshireman?

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:28 am  

Dropkick Murphy wrote:

Lancashire V Yorkshire comes up constantly, but the last time it was played it was a complete flop. Do people conveniently forget that? It's a fair comment too about some people now feeling little connection to Lancashire because they've grown up with their address as either Cheshire, Greater Manchester or Merseyside. Indeed correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any professional RL club now plays within the county of Lancashire under its redefined borders.

I have no problem with it appearing parochial because its a simple fact that RL in England IS an M62 corridor sport, and I'm a strong advocate of playing to our strengths, but I don't see Lancs V Yorks as the answer at all.

I'm very much club before country and regard most international sport as a complete waste of time, but the one thing I did used to enjoy was the ashes series between Great Britain and Australia where the Aussies came over during the season and played three tests and a few games against the clubs over the course of six weeks or so. For that to happen now the seasons run concurrently in the two countries though clubs would have to agree to their selected players being taken from them for two months while they still played without them a la cricket and rugby union with their central contracts.

Is that remotely workable? I hate the idea of Warrington being weakened at any point by giving our best players to GB, but its the only form of international RL I can imagine being remotely bothered with. Let's face it, the Aussies coming here in June/July and playing three tests V GB and exhibition matches V the cream of Super League once every four years, and GB doing the same there in between making it a bi annual event would be ten times more exciting than the current end of season tag on that the international season currently is. It has a very obvious drawback though as I've already mentioned.

I live in Greater Manchester and do not feel i am Lancastrian at all. Greater Manchester was formed in 1974, eight years before i was born and i feel i have no ties to the county of Lancs. I think they speak in funny gawby accents too - ask a Lancastrian to say "what's going down with the sound in the Crown and Anchor" and you'd think he was a foreigner!

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:53 pm  

danburge82 wrote:

and can Chase really be a yorkshireman?

What do you mean? He's as Yorkshire as killing your brother's kestrel.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:20 pm  

garyhulsefan wrote:

What do you mean? He's as Yorkshire as killing your brother's kestrel.

If not Chase then, arr Judd could step in? 'e's th'cock o'th estate

Classic!!

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:23 pm  

Dropkick Murphy wrote:

Lancashire V Yorkshire comes up constantly, but the last time it was played it was a complete flop. Do people conveniently forget that?

Not at all, I remember it well. I went most of the games last time and remember feeling much more interested in it than Eng v Exiles. The only reason it ended up being a flop was it wasn't given the same buildup and respect that Eng v Exiles is. Paul Cullen was Lancs coach and described at a forum how much of a farce it was as he wasn't even allowed to pick his own team - he had to pick who David Waite told him too.

Imagine if it was built up and given the training camps time that Eng Exiles is, I think it could really work. And why the embarassment about being from Lancs and Yorks? They are two of the biggest counties in the country containing some of the biggest cities and best countryside. What's to be shy about?

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:39 pm  

SEB wrote:

And why the embarassment about being from Lancs and Yorks? They are two of the biggest counties in the country containing some of the biggest cities and best countryside. What's to be shy about?

I don't think it's embarrassing per se, but certainly from the "Lancashire" viewpoint it's certainly valid that the county boundaries have been redrawn to mean no Super League club is actually in Lancashire. Yes the historic boundaries say us, Widnes, Wigan, Saints and Salford all are, and so are the cities of Liverpool and Manchester, and there are traditionalists from all those places who still consider themselves Lancastrian. However there is a new generation who don't feel that connection having never written "Lancashire" on their address in their lives. To them they live in Cheshire, Merseyside or Greater Manchester and Lancashire means deepest darkest Chorley or Burnley.

I don't mind either way, frankly I don't really care, and if the RL games did take place I would want Lancashire to win. However I would be relatively indifferent, just as I am when England play anyone other than Australia and to a lesser extent New Zealand. The only non-club RL I ever really have an interest in watching is Great Britain V Australia.

Re: lancashire v yorkshire : Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:10 am  

Not forgetting the England players who have no ties to Lancs, Yorks or GM/Mersey/Cheshire