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Re: Job Application Query : Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:58 pm  
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Lol. No, no they don't! At least not from my albeit limited experience of the jobcentres. I help a friend of mine who's currently unemployed. She struggles with her hearing and isn't the most confident of people so she likes to have someone with her when she goes to the jobcentre etc so I help out when I can.
She's required to apply for 10 jobs per week. Which isn't a problem, anyone who's saying they can't find 10 jobs to apply for per week really isn't trying, but she's required to use the Universal Jobmatch website, which is just useless. It has some decent jobs but the vast majority are from agencies which don't tell you the name of the employer, where the workplace is and often don't tell you the hours of work. Which is off-putting when you're applying for a job that you know very, very little about and especially so when the jobcentres are desperate to find any reason to sanction a persons benefits. Also it's difficult to change the CV you use on the site, so it's difficult to tailor your CV toward a specific job.
Unfortunately she gets very little assistance from the job centre. Calling it a job centre is the wrong description really, it's a benefits eligibility checking centre. They don't help you find a job they just make you jump through certain hoops so that they can say you've done this, that and the other and then you can get your benefits.
For instance, she has A-Levels in both Maths and English yet was still sent on an English & Maths Functional Skills course for 4 weeks. A complete waste of time and money for everyone involved, when what she needs is courses that help her with interviews etc to get her confidence up.
Whilst I'm on a rant about jobcentres I might as well say how ridiculous it is that any money she earns from small jobs she gets is deducted from her benefits. Which doesn't really encourage you to take a low hours job or one-time job because you're not going to be financially better off, in fact probably worse off when adding in travelling costs.
Oh and the amount of jobs that are zero hours or low guaranteed hours (say 8 hours per week) that require you to be available every day of the week is ridiculous too.


I was on seekers for a month when focus shut down a couple of years ago, I agree that the online job terminals are a waste of time and energy, have to input your preferred job and what skills you have then will sometime come up with the most random suggestions, kid you not I was suggested to be a wig maker even though I had no experience of any type of manufacturing or even textile work.

Think if I remember correctly I was told to get my allowance which was £100 for the whole month, I had to prove that I had applied for a certain number of jobs, now they never mentions I had to have a cats hope in hell of getting the job just that I had applied so I'm pretty sure some of those who go there apply for what ever comes up even if they can't do that job and if they get a an interview don't plan for it and maybe don't even try to get the job.

The dregs who went into the centre near my house, and they wondered why they couldn't get a job, I think I applied for what ever I could that I had experience in (mainly customer service roles, and labouring jobs) got a reply from one even though I am a uni graduate with a fairly decent degree, had two meetings with my "advisor" who when I arrived late for one meeting (I was at a job interview before and it took me a while to get back) wasn't best pleased I was be leaving job seekers, as I was given that job. Hated having to go there made me feel like I had failed when I took me a while to get a job so I blanket cv'd the retail parks and any shop I could find.
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:16 am  
The role of the Jo Centre + has changed over the last 4 years. Their main aim was always to find you a job. Now their aim is to trick people and sanction as many as possible to hit "targets" and manipulate unemployment figures:-

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... stleblower
The role of the Jo Centre + has changed over the last 4 years. Their main aim was always to find you a job. Now their aim is to trick people and sanction as many as possible to hit "targets" and manipulate unemployment figures:-

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... stleblower
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:21 pm  
more utter bollox from RLFans left wing = shock
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:31 pm  
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more utter bollox from RLFans left wing = shock


You remind me of IDS - the evidence is there in black and white (I doubt a whistleblower would go through what they did if there wasn't an ounce of truth in it)...........you just keep denying it.
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:36 pm  
the sooner people accept that nobody owes anyone anything, you get what you WORK for, the better
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:09 pm  
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the sooner people accept that nobody owes anyone anything, you get what you WORK for, the better

That includes the tax cheats who sit on their collective backsides drinking champagne etc. reaping the rewards of hard working people who ACTUALLY CREATE THE WEALTH so it can be stolen by these lazy layabouts who do SFA.
That is who you are talking about.
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:18 pm  
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the sooner people accept that nobody owes anyone anything, you get what you WORK for, the better



Rather a strange comment to throw into a thread about someone trying hard to find work and asking for advice on how to go about that aim.
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:24 pm  
If its anything like the old days, you simply think of a salary that you would like to realistically earn for the job you are applying for, and knock £500-£1000 off it - Put this figure in the box where they are asking your present/last job salary and then if you impress enough in the interview, you will inevitably be offered that original figure you thought of.

Worked for me on several occasions.... 8)
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:13 pm  
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more utter bollox from RLFans left wing = shock

Which bit?
The bit where people are trying to find work?
Or the bit where jobcentres aren't doing much to help them?
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Re: Job Application Query : Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:49 pm  
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The role of the Jo Centre + has changed over the last 4 years. Their main aim was always to find you a job. Now their aim is to trick people and sanction as many as possible to hit "targets" and manipulate unemployment figures:-


The above is about right.
Or put grown-ups on courses where they have to build a free-standing tower out of just four sheets of A4, sellotape and a paper stapler.
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